by Ranbir
In his book God is not Great, the late Christopher Hitchens takes issue with the prevailing view that India’s independence was the result of the efforts of Mahatma Gandhi’s use of non-violent civil disobedience. Anyone claiming to be Gandhian or setting their ethical compass by Gandhi often exudes a self-righteous arrogance and above all moral smugness that somehow qualifies them to pontificate on every subject under the sun without hindrance. Gandhi has been all but deified to the point where he is beyond criticism. Therefore any inconvenient facts about this major figure from the twentieth century is going to shatter more than just a few assumptions, especially since his influence remains very strong, both in India and beyond.
An instantly recognisable figure, Mohondas Karamchand Gandhi, better known as the Mahatma (great soul), retains iconic status in many parts of the world. In his homeland he is hailed as the unassuming gentle figure who used ahinsa (non-violence) to take on the mightiest empire that had ever existed, in order to secure independence of India from Britain. Gandhi has inspired many others in his simple yet forceful persuasion in the cause of justice. Most famous was Martin Luther King who used Gandhi’s peaceful yet effective methods in order to gain civil rights for all Americans regardless of colour and thus fulfill the ideals on which the republic had been founded. Dr. King read many books on the Indian nationalist leader which inspired him in his own quest for universal justice:
As I read, I became deeply fascinated by his campaigns of nonviolent resistance. As I delved deeper into the philosophy of Gandhi, my skepticism concerning the power of love gradually diminished, and I came to see for the first time its potency in the area of social reform.
Initially he was skeptical:
As the days unfolded, however, the Christian doctrine of love, operating through the Gandhian method of nonviolence, was one of the most potent weapons available to the Negro in his struggle for freedom.
On Gandhi, this is what Nelson Mandela had to say:
India is Gandhi’s country of birth; South Africa his country of adoption. He was both an Indian and a South African citizen. Both countries contributed to his intellectual and moral genius, and he shaped the liberatory movements in both colonial theaters…..The Gandhian influence dominated freedom struggles on the African continent right up to the 1960s because of the power it generated and the unity it forged among the apparently powerless. Nonviolence was the official stance of all major African coalitions, and the South African A.N.C. remained implacably opposed to violence for most of its existence.
Gandhi was assassinated on 30 January 1948 by Nathuram Godse, in the garden of Birla House in Delhi. The assassin offered no resistance as he was arrested. His actions triggered a wave of violence, pogroms to be exact, against the Chitpavan Brahman caste to which Godse belonged resulting in the death of thousands. Of course what made it all the more poignant was that this was in revenge for the death of a man who had spent his life preaching about peace.
Gandhi’s odium against Zionism
Papers kept at Jerusalem’s Hebrew University in Israel show include this fascinating note by Albert Einstein:
Mahatma Gandhi’s life achievement stands unique in political history. He has invented a completely new and humane means for the liberation war of an oppressed country, and practised it with greatest energy and devotion. The moral influence he had on the consciously thinking human being of the entire civilized world will probably be much more lasting than it seems in our time with its overestimation of brutal violent forces. Because lasting will only be the work of such statesmen who wake up and strengthen the moral power of their people through their example and educational works. We may all be happy and grateful that destiny gifted us with such an enlightened contemporary, a role model for the generations to come.
It is from that academic institution however that we get a light shed on some of Gandhi’s rather more obscure and disturbing views with regards to the very community into which Einstein was born. In 1977 Gideon Shimoni wrote a fascinating book entitled Gandhi, Satyagraha and the Jews: A Formative Factor in India’s Policy Towards Israel. Shimoni graduated from Witwatersrand University in Johannesburg. After moving to Israel from South Africa he secured the position of lecturer at the Hebrew University from where he penned the aforementioned book. Shimoni relates how Gandhi was close to Henry Polak and Herman Kallenbach during his formative political years in South Africa from 1893 to 1914. They were Jews that were to become sympathetic and supportive of Gandhi’s non-violent campaigns (satyagraha) for Indians to have equal rights in South Africa, as well as the cause of Indian independence.
Polak had emigrated to South Africa from Britain in 1903 and worked for The Transvaal Critic. Already influenced by Tolstoy to giving up meat, he volunteered his services for Gandhi’s own newspaper, the Indian Opinion after meeting with him. Polak was even imprisoned with Gandhi during his satyagraha campaign in 1913 protesting equal rights for Indians as against the severe discrimination they suffered from entrenched racist laws that favoured whites even before the advent of apartheid. Polak eventually moved back to Britain where he founded the Indian Overseas Association.
Also arrested with Gandhi in 1913 was Kallenbach, a Lithuanian Jew who moved to South Africa in 1896 to work as an architect. He became close friends with Gandhi in 1904 and helped him in the construction of Tolstoy Farm, a commune in Phoenix to provide for the families of satyagrahis. Kallenbach deplored the general indifference of South Africa’s Jews to the plight of Indians in their midst, which he saw as suffering similar treatment to Jews being oppressed in Eastern Europe.
Gandhi for his part expressed sympathy for the suffering of the Jews as the underdogs of western society. But he never saw Judaism properly as a religion in its own right. Shimoni writes on pages 18 and 19:
Whereas he at least understood Christianity on its own terms, he perceived Judaism on Christian terms. The result is a distortion of considerable proportions. Thus he seems to have identified Judaism wholly with the ‘Old Testament’, a term in itself loaded with Christian bias. He had absolutely no conception of the vast Oral Law in enriching Judaism; even the Prophets, Psalms and Ecclesiastes, were barely appreciated by him. Of the many pious and mystical strains within Judaism, which surely would have struck a sympathetic chord in him, he had not the slightest notion. In contrast, he knew of and greatly admired the asceticism of Moslem fakirs and the mystical elements of Sufism.
Gandhi’s negative attitude towards Judaism could be grasped further when one realises that while he found the New Testamant enlightening – especially the Sermon on the Mount – he said that the Old Testament made him fall asleep. In 1947 he confessed to journalist Louis Fischer that “Judaism is obstinate and unenlightening”. His experience at the hands of the staunchly Calvinist Boers precluded any sympathy for Zionism, something which was only compounded by his failure to recognise that Jews were a nation and therefore the intimate relationship between Judaism and the Holy Land. Gandhi said that real Zionism should remain a spiritual aspiration alone. He made this clear when interviewed by the Jewish Chronicle in 1931 during the Round Table Conference on India in London:
By spiritual sense I mean they should want to realise that the Jerusalem that is within. Zionism meaning reoccupation of Palestine has no attraction for me……The real Zionism of which I have given you my meaning is the thing to strive for, long for and die for. Zion lies in the heart. It is the abode of God. The real Jerusalem is the spiritual Jerusalem. Thus he [the Jew] can realise this Zionism in any part of the world.
The irony was not lost on the Jewish Chronicle that as Gandhi uttered these despicable comments he was in London at talks where he was demanding self-determination for India.
This animus to Jewish aspirations had been manifest very early on. In an interview with the Daily Herald on 16 March 1921 Gandhi said this:
No influence, direct or indirect, over the Holy Places of Islam will ever be tolerated by Indian Mussulmans. It follows, therefore, that even Palestine must be under Mussulman control. So far as I am aware, there never has been any difficulty put in the way of Jews and Christians visiting Palestine and performing all their religious rites. No canon, however, of ethics or war can possibly justify the gift by the Allies of Palestine to Jews. It would be a breach of implied faith with Indian Mussulmans in particular and the whole of India in general.
In Young India 23 March 1921:
Britain has made promises to the Zionists. The latter have, naturally, a sacred sentiment about the place. The Jews, it is contended, must remain a wandering race unless they have obtained possession of Palestine. I do not propose to examine the soundness or otherwise of the doctrine underlying the proposition. All I contend is that they cannot possess Palestine through a trick or a moral breach. Palestine was not a stake in the War. The British Government could not dare have asked a single Muslim soldier to wrest control of Palestine from fellow-Muslims and give it to the Jews. Palestine, as a place of Jewish worship, is a sentiment to be respected and the Jews would have a just cause of complaint against Mussulman idealists if they were to prevent Jews from offering worship as freely as themselves. By no canon of ethics or war, therefore, can Palestine be given to the Jews as a result of the War. Either Zionists must revise their ideal about Palestine, or, if Judaism permits the arbitrament of war, engage in a “holy war” with the Muslims of the world with the Christians throwing in their influence on their side. But one may hope that the trend of world opinion will make “holy wars” impossible and religious questions or differences will tend more and more towards a peaceful adjustment based upon the strictest moral considerations. But, whether such a happy time ever comes or not, it is clear as daylight that the Khilafat terms to be just must mean the restitution of Jazirat-ul-Arab to complete Muslim control under the spiritual sovereignty of the Caliph.
The Muslim Brotherhood could hardly have put it any better! But this came from the hand of a now much revered and iconic Hindu ‘holy man’. I have lost count the number of times I have been told “remember what Gandhi said” as if this would somehow silence all debate. The problem is that such detractors actually need to know what Gandhi said and not just glean the ‘nice’ portions of how speeches and writings. For example the apostle of non-violence justifies denying Jewish claims to Palestine on the basis of military conquest in centuries past. Young India, 6 April 1921:
The Jews cannot receive sovereign rights in a place which has been held for centuries by Muslim powers by right of religious conquest. The Muslim soldiers did not shed their blood in the late War for the purpose of surrendering Palestine out of Muslim control. I would like my Jewish friends to impartially consider the position of the seventy million Muslims of India. As a free nation, can they tolerate what they must regard as a treacherous disposal of their sacred possession?
Does this not sound like the advice given to the modern democratic state of Israel? Are they not accused of occupying what Muslims and Arabs regard as their sacred possession?
The Indian National Congress had consistently followed a pro-Arab line denouncing Zionism yet passing resolutions in favour of independence for Iraq, Egypt, Syria and (an Arab) Palestine. The Jewish Agency in the British Mandate of Palestine set out to rectify these misunderstandings of Jewish self-determination, Moshe Shetok Sharrett, head of the Political Department of the Jewish Agency since 1933, dispatched Immanuel Olsvanger to India. Olsvanger had learnt Sanskrit and had also met with Gandhi’s close friend Kallenbach in South Africa. He arrived in Bombay on 21 August 1936 and was to be assisted in his efforts by wealthy merchant Meyer Nissim, and AE Sholet who ran the Zionist office in that city. But they made little headway. On 26 November 1938 Gandhi penned ‘The Jews’ in Harijan:
Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs. What is going on in Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct. The mandates have no sanction but that of the last war. Surely it would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home.
Further:
I am not defending the Arab excesses. I wish they had chosen the way of non-violence in resisting what they rightly regarded as an unwarrantable encroachment upon their country. But according to the accepted canons of right and wrong, nothing can be said against the Arab resistance in the face of overwhelming odds.
Kallenbach himself met with Gandhi on 20 May 1937 in order to convince him of the validity of Zionism. In the intervening years since Tolstoy Farm, Kallenbach had discarded his earlier humanist universalism and rediscovered his Jewish roots, precipitated largely by Hitler’s alarming rise to power. He had also rejected absolute non-violence and joined the South African Zionist Federation. However he was unable to turn Gandhi’s opinion even with the Nazi seizure of power in Germany. While Gandhi did evince some sympathy for the Jews he nevertheless insisted that Zionist efforts should rely on the good will of the Arabs and not British help. As well as denouncing the Jews for not practising satyagraha, he said this in Harijan on 17 December 1938:
Indeed it is a stigma against them that their ancestors crucified Jesus. Are they not supposed to believe in eye for an eye, and tooth for a tooth? Have they no violence in their hearts for their oppressors? Do they want the so-called democratic powers to punish Germany for her persecution and to deliver them from oppression? If they do there is no non-violence in their hearts…..What I have pleaded for is the renunciation of violence of the heart and consequent active exercise of the force generated by the great renunciation.
Utterly dismayed, Polak criticised Gandhi for these remarks and demanded he retract them. Of course he did nothing of the sort and his negative attitude only got worse with the passage of time. In March 1946 he was visited by Sidney Silverman, a Labour MP and supporter of Indian independence. Born into a family of Romanian Jewish refugees, Silverman had been imprisoned for his pacifism and opposition to World War I. But he re-evaluated his beliefs as the anti-Semitic behemoth spread across Europe during the 1930s. As well as backing Britain’s entry into the next world war, Silverman was also vocal in his support for Jewish rights and for their national home in Palestine. Gandhi however told him that the Jews should stop using violence against the Arabs. Shimoni on page 58:
Silverman tried to explain that the majority of the Jews in Palestine were against the small groups of hotheads who were using violent methods there. He argued on behalf of Zionism on the basis of the existential reality of the movement: the Jews needed a national home in Palestine “because 650,000 Jews are already settled there and we cannot begin anew” and “because there is nowhere else we can go to.” “Are there not enough waste places in the world to receive you?” asked Gandhi. One may wonder at the questionable morality of Gandhi’s implied suggestion. If it was, in his view, wrong for Jews to ask for a national home in Palestine, the one place where they at least had a relevant claim, how could it be right for them to ask for any other place in the world?
How to explain these double standards on Palestine with regards to Jews and Arabs? Privately Gandhi conceded to Kallenbach that he would be willing to help Jews and Arabs in negotiating towards a peaceful settlement. But he could not make this public for fear of alienating Muslim opinion in India. That is the most important element in understanding Gandhi’s unwavering negative attitude towards Zionism. Shimoni on page 60:
It is evident that, notwithstanding his sympathy for the Jews, “the untouchables of Christianity”, Gandhi was functioning within a field of political forces which constrained him in respect of the Jewish Question. His overriding concern for Hindu-Moslem amity precluded any expression of support for Zionism. Indicative of this bias is the discrepancy between his intimations private and no statements in public. To be sure, as the question of means, he was consistent throughout in condemning reliance on British imperialism and resort to violence and also in insisting on Arab goodwill as a prerequisite. But on the principle itself, of the Jewish claim to a homeland in Palestine, he fluctuated; in private he was inclined, to recognise its validity, in public he rejected it together with the means used in its pursuit. Moreover, he persisted in his presumptuous interpretation of Judaism’s relation to the idea of Zion, in the face of repeated attempts by Jews to correct the distortions in his view. In sharp contrast, he was always willing to recognise Moslem-Arab self-definitions in relation to Palestine.
In India Gandhi tried to use the same tactics of Hindu-Muslim unity which he had pioneered to such effect in South Africa. But that was in a country where Indians of various backgrounds were a recently settled minority among a larger white community which looked down upon them and even larger black population that was rapidly being pauperised and pushed to the bottom of the racial ladder. But in India he hankered after Hindu-Muslim unity at all costs, constantly threatening to fast unto death in order to blackmail the largely Hindu component in the Indian National Congress. For example he praised the Moplahs as his brave brothers after they massacred, raped and forcibly converted their Hindu neighbours. He backed the Khilafat movement which was unashamedly anti-national and pan-Islamic. Gandhi invited the Amir of Afghanistan to invade India in 1919. Most disturbing of all he praised Muslim fanatic Abdul Rashid as his brother after he murdered Swami Shraddhananda for reverting thousands of Muslims back to the Hindu fold, and pleaded that he be shown clemency. No such magnanimity existed for others. Gandhi condemned revolutionary nationalist freedom fighters Bhagat Singh, Rajguru and Sukhdev for a bomb attack for which they faced the gallows in 1931. Similarly he called Rana Pratap, Shivaji and Guru Gobind Singh “misguided patriots” for defending India against the Islamic onslaught in the past. Gandhi urged the Hindu prince Maharaja Hari Singh of Kashmir to abdicate and retire to Banaras so that the state’s Muslim majority could form a popular government under Sheikh Abdullah. Yet he gave no such advice to the corrupt and autocratic Osman Ali, Nizam of Hyderabad, the largest princely state which was overwhelmingly Hindu. To cap it all he agreed to India being partitioned to appease the separatism of Jinnah and the Muslim League very early on. In Harijan dated 6 April 1940 he wrote:
I know of no non-violent method of compelling the obedience of eight crores of Muslims to the will of the rest of India, however powerful a majority the rest may represent. The Muslims must have the right of self-determination that the rest of India has. We are at present a joint family. Any member may claim a division.
In the same paper on 18 April 1942 he went further:
If the vast majority of Muslims regard themselves as a separate nation having nothing in common with the Hindus and others, no power on earth can compel them to think otherwise. And if they want to partition India on that basis, they must have the partition unless Hindus want to fight against such a division.

Gandhi with Muhammad Ali Jinnah, Father of Pakistan, the state which ethnically cleansed its Hindu, Sikh and Jewish inhabitants
Substitute ‘Hindus’ with ‘Jews’ and Gandhi’s sinister politics become clear. In fact update the situation to the modern democratic state of Israel and we see history repeat itself. As we know those who refuse to learn from history are bound to repeat its mistakes. Hence under pressure from peaceniks and other sorts of ‘useful idiots’ Israel was told to barter land for peace. Obviously this is a rhetorical question but did it work? Even when the enemy is emboldened Israel is castigated for mere self-defence, and even that under severe restraint so as to avoid civilian casualties. Notice how the Gandhian morality is only enforced upon democratic nations such as Israel, USA, India and Britain. Why don’t modern Gandhians meet with the Iranians campaigning for their country do undergo unilateral nuclear disarmament? Again rhetorical question because there is more chance of having a package holiday on Mars. However it exposes the absurdity of the peaceniks, many of whom look up to Gandhi. It should become understandable why not only India has lost its moral moorings, spirituality and sense of purpose, but why the Hindu masses have been indoctrinated with decades of anti-Zionism. No surprise then that as the oppressive circumstances faced by both Jews and Hindus deteriorated even further during the 1930s and 40s, so did any semblance of Gandhi’s morality.
Gandhi’s apathy in the face of Physical, Spiritual and Moral Genocide
In his 2001 book Gandhi and Godse, Koenraad Elst writes that Gandhi would not have been Gandhi if he had not written a much ridiculed letter to Hitler trying to change his conscience. Throughout the 1930s and he thought war could be averted and once it got underway he tried to convince the Fuhrer to achieve the Reich’s ambitions through non-violent means. More disturbing was his advice to the Jews of Germany in Harijan dated 26 November 1938:
Can the Jews resist this organised and shameless persecution? Is there a way to preserve their self-respect, and not to feel helpless, neglected and forlorn? I submit there is. No person who has faith in a living God need feel helpless or forlorn. Jehovah of the Jews is a God more personal than the God of the Christians, the Mussalmans or the Hindus, though as a matter of fact in essence, He is common to all and one without a second and beyond description. But as the Jews attribute personality to God and believe that He rules every action of theirs, they ought not to feel helpless. If I were a Jew and were born in Germany and earned my livelihood there, I would claim Germany as my home even as the tallest gentile German may, and challenge him to shoot me or cast me in the dungeon; I would refuse to be expelled or to submit to discriminating treatment. And for doing this, I should not wait for the fellow Jews to join me in civil resistance but would have confidence that in the end the rest are bound to follow my example. If one Jew or all the Jews were to accept the prescription here offered, he or they cannot be worse off than now. And suffering voluntarily undergone will bring them an inner strength and joy which no number of resolutions of sympathy passed in the world outside Germany can. Indeed, even if Britain, France and America were to declare hostilities against Germany, they can bring no inner joy, no inner strength. The calculated violence of Hitler may even result in a general massacre of the Jews by way of his first answer to the declaration of such hostilities. But if the Jewish mind could be prepared for voluntary suffering, even the massacre I have imagined could be turned into a day of thanksgiving and joy that Jehovah had wrought deliverance of the race even at the hands of the tyrant. For to the godfearing, death has no terror. It is a joyful sleep to be followed by a waking that would be all the more refreshing for the long sleep.

2011 Hindi film starring Avjit Dutt as Mahatma Gandhi, Raghubir Yadav playing Hitler, and Neha Dhupia plays Eva Braun.
While he admitted that Hitler’s persecution of the Jews was without precedent in history, he then said any discussion of a just war on behalf of the oppressed was outside his ambit. Using the example of how Indians in Transvaal had resisted the inferiority status thrust upon them by President Paul Kruger, and that their status was similar to that faced now by Jews in Germany, he unsurprisingly aid that using ahinsa and satyagraha would arouse world opinion on their side just as it had done with the Indians of South Africa.
But the Jews of Germany can offer satyagraha under infinitely better auspices than the Indians of South Africa. The Jews are a compact, homogeneous community in Germany. They are far more gifted than the Indians of South Africa. And they have organised world opinion behind them. I am convinced that if someone with courage and vision can arise among them to lead them in non-violent action, the winter of their despair can in the twinkling of an eye be turned into the summer of hope. And what has today become a degrading man-hunt can be turned into a calm and determined stand offered by unarmed men and women possessing the strength of suffering given to them by Jehovah. It will be then a truly religious resistance offered against the godless fury of dehumanised man. The German Jews will score a lasting victory over the German gentiles in the sense that they will have converted the latter to an appreciation of human dignity. They will have rendered service to fellow-Germans and proved their title to be the real Germans as against those who are today dragging, however unknowingly, the German name into the mire.
Prominent Jews Martin Buber, JL Magnes and Hayim Greenberg protested that the situation between South Africa’s Indians and the Jews in Germany was not analogous. Non-violent action in the latter would achieve nothing. Yet even the Holocaust had no impact on Gandhi’s thinking. In a notorious interview with his biographer Louis Fischer, Gandhi had this to say in 1946:
Hitler killed five million Jews. It is the greatest crime of our time. But the Jews should have offered themselves to the butcher’s knife. They should have thrown themselves into the sea from cliffs… It would have aroused the world and the people of Germany… As it is they succumbed anyway in their millions.
Again there is the parallel with Hindus and Sikhs whom he told to remain in Pakistan when they found themselves trapped on the wrong side of the border after partition in 1947. He also advised them to offer their heads to the butcher’s knife. Meeting Hindu refugees he made these dark and unsympathetic comments as he urged them to return to their birthplace in what was now Pakistan even if it meant certain death:
If all the Punjabis were to die to the last man without killing, the Punjab will become immortal. Offer yourselves as nonviolent , willing sacrifices.
During his prayer meeting on 1 May 1947, he had actually prepared the Hindus and Sikhs for the forthcoming massacres with these words:
I would tell the Hindus to face death cheerfully if the Muslims are out to kill them. I would be a real sinner if after being stabbed I wished in my last moment that my son should seek revenge. I must die without rancour. You may turn round and ask whether all Hindus and all Sikhs should die. Yes, I would say. Such martyrdom will not be in vain.
A few weeks earlier on 6 April he had visited a refugee camp near Delhi and remonstrated:
Hindus should never be angry against the Muslims even if the latter might make up their minds to undo their existence. If they put all of us to the sword, we should court death bravely. … We are destined to be born and die, then why need we feel gloomy over it?
When the mass slaughter had started, Gandhi refused to show any sympathy for the Hindus and Sikhs. Neither did he offer them practical non-violent means to resists the Muslim League onslaught in Pakistan. Instead he condemned them as cowards. On 6 August 1947, Gandhi commented:
I am grieved to learn that people are running away from the West Punjab and I am told that Lahore is being evacuated by the non-Muslims. I must say that this is what it should not be. If you think Lahore is dead or is dying, do not run away from it, but die with what you think is the dying Lahore. When you suffer from fear you die before death comes to you. That is not glorious. I will not feel sorry if I hear that people in the Punjab have died not as cowards but as brave men. I cannot be forced to salute any flag. If in that act I am murdered I would bear no ill will against anyone and would rather pray for better sense for the person or persons who murder me.
Indeed Gandhi went even further. In Harijan of 22 June 1940 he wrote:
Hitler is not a bad man.
And:
The Germans of future generations….will honour Herr Hitler as a genius, as a brave man, a matchless organizer and much more.
He advised the British to give the Nazi leader all that he wanted because it would only be land and not souls. France had made the right decision by surrendering to Germany as, in Gandhi’s opinion, this had averted mass slaughter. Is it any surprise that he refused to consider that Pakistan was an enemy state after its invasion of Kashmir? Instead he undertook yet another fast unto death, this time to compel the Indian government to pay Pakistan fifty-five crore rupees from the British-Indian treasury. It was this selective use of non-violence and overall pro-Pakistan policy with is double standards that aroused the ire of Hindu activists and thinkers. Among them was Nathuram Godse.
Was Gandhism a Success?
Godse had in fact started his political life as a follower of Gandhi. The statement which he gave in court in his own defence on 8 November 1948 was banned from publication. It was finally published by his brother Gopal Godse in 1977 under the title May It Please Your Honour. On page 69 Nathuram Godse praises Gandhi’s efforts fighting discrimination in South Africa but that this experience could not be applied in India. Before Gandhi returned to India in 1914, he presented Jan Smuts with a pair of sandals made by himself. In 1939, Smuts, then prime minister, wrote an essay for a commemorative work compiled for Gandhi’s 70th birthday and returned the sandals with the following message:
I have worn these sandals for many a summer, even though I may feel that I am not worthy to stand in the shoes of so great a man.
Yet what did Smuts actually do for the Indian minority? They were still not allowed to own property in the Transvaal and were banned completely from living in the Orange Free State. Restrictions on trading were also not removed and Indians remained disenfranchised. The Durban Land Alienation Ordinance, no 14 of 1922 (Natal) enabled Durban City Council to exclude Indians from ownership or occupation of property in white areas. Further laws in 1924 saw Indians lose municipal franchise and further restricted trading activities. From 1927 the white minority government introduced financial incentives for Indians to leave South Africa for India. Throughout the 1930s various property laws allowed the seizure of Indian property for white settlement. This culminated in the 1944 Pegging Act. In 1946 Smuts replaced this with the equally discriminatory Asiatic Land Tenure and Indian Representation Bill (Ghetto Act). So this was even before the advent of apartheid in 1948 with the victory of the National Party, which saw ‘koolies’ as an alien Asiatic element to be expelled. Yet ironically it was Hendrik Verwoerd who recognised that Indians would be a permanent part of the country’s demographic and conferred citizenship on them in 1961. In his autobiography The Last Trek, former president FW De Klerk makes the startling revelation that Verwoerd confessed that at some unspecified date in the future whites would have to come to some sort of political agreement with the Coloureds and Indians. Gandhi could not take credit for that and his successes were both temporary and indeed illusory. No wonder why in January 2003 Nobel Laureate VS Naipaul termed the two decades Gandhi spent in South Africa as “a failure”. In Gandhi and Godse, Elst hints on page 57 that even these milestones were anything but. Muslim Indians accused him of embezzling funds. His Memon Muslim employer even attempted to convert him to Islam. On 10th February 1908, a group of Muslims under the leadership of a Pathan called Mir Alam entered Gandhi’s house and beat him mercilessly. Louis Fischer writes that this is because they felt Gandhi was selling out to Smuts on the compulsory fingerprinting of all ‘Asiatics’ by agreeing to comply.
Despite his appeasement of Muslim radicalism and separatism the one garland which cannot be taken away from Gandhi is that he achieved independence for India. Right? Well perhaps not. Prime Minister Clement Attlee confessed that the decisive factor was the Indian Naval Mutiny in 1946. This came soon after the Red Fort trial of three leaders of the Indian National Army who had taken up arms against their former colonial masters with Japanese help. The war had bankrupted Britain and made the imperial power dependent upon American support. But according to the late Christopher Hitchens the signs were there long before that. From page 182 of God is not Great:
After the critical weakening of the British Empire by the First World War, and most particularly after the notorious massacre of Indian protestors at the city of Amritsar in April 1919, it became apparent even to the then controllers of the subcontinent that rule from London would come to an end sooner rather than later. It was no longer a matter of “if” but of “when”. Had this not been the case, a campaign of peaceful disobedience would have stood no chance. Thus Mohondas K Gandhi (sometimes known as “the Mahatma” in respect for his standing as a Hindu elder) was in a sense pushing at an open door.
Britain could not hold on to India any longer. There was in fact a whole different sphere of Indian nationalism which existed before Gandhi and which Godse held him guilty of eclipsing. He cites Veer Savarkar, Lala Har Dayal, Rash Behari Bose, Madanlal Dhingra and Chandrashekhar Azad as among these revolutionary nationalists who preached armed resistance to British rule and the only means of achieving independence. Bhagat Singh, Rajguru and Sukhdev continued in this tradition but were of course denounced by Gandhi; even while he applauded the Moplahs, begged for the life of Abdul Rashid to be spared, and urged the Jews to throw themselves upon the mercy of various anti-Semitic forces. Gandhi’s most disastrous tactic was Quit India in 1942 in which Congress ministries resigned allowing the Muslim League to move in and fill the power vacuum, thereby pushing forward the demand for partition of India. Hitchens adds his own embellishments on page 183 of God is not Great:
Gandhi deserves credit for his criticism of the inhuman Hindu system of caste, whereby lower orders of humanity were condemned to an ostracism and contempt that was in some ways even more absolute and cruel than slavery. But at just the moment when what India most needed was a modern secular nationalist leader, it got a fakir and guru instead. The crux of this unwelcome realization came in 1941, when the Imperial Japanese Army had conquered Malaya and Burma and was on the frontiers of India itself. Believing (wrongly) that this spelled the end of the Raj, Gandhi chose this moment to boycott the political process and issue his notorious cal for the British to “Quit India”. He added that they should leave it “To God or to Anarchy,” which in the circumstances would have meant much the same thing. Those who naively credit Gandhi with a conscientious or consistent pacifism might wish to ask if this did not amount to letting the Japanese imperialists do his fighting for him.
It is true that Martin Luther King used Gandhian tactics of non-violence to great effect. But then he also had the use of a burgeoning medium, that of television. As the civil rights movement gained momentum white America could see their fellow citizens being subjected to police water cannon, beatings and dog attacks merely for claiming the same rights, constitutional rights which they were denied simply on the basis of skin colour. From the very beginning the constitution of the United States had said “all men are created equal” which was always going to run up against slavery and later racial segregation. Dr. King used ahinsa and satyagraha while all the time appealing to that which was noblest in American values.

Elizabeth Eckford being threatened by racist white mob as she tries to enroll at Little Rock high school in 1957
The same can be said of a similarly inspired movement in Northern Ireland from 1968 where non-violent protest was met with police brutality beamed live into people’s homes. To see citizens of the United Kingdom beaten up by merely asking for “one man, one vote” was a shock to many on the British mainland. Gandhism with its use of non-violence alone could not have achieved much. It needed both an influential medium to broadcast the required message and a functioning civil society for it to have resonance. Ask yourself would Gandhian tactics have worked during the Arab Spring revolutions? Will they work now that those very same states are turning to hardcore Saudi-sponsored Islam? The only Gandhism at work here are the double standards at work with regard to Israel and the appeasement of Saudi and Qatar funded movements such as the Muslim Brotherhood.
The Legacy of Gandhi
Hitchens touched upon another subject which Gandhi has often been given credit for; the attack on the caste system. By the same token his assassin Godse is called an extremist Hindu who hated Gandhi because of his love for the so-called ‘untouchables’; called Harijans by Gandhi and in modern parlance, Dalits. Yet Godse, despite belonging to the Chitpavan Brahman caste of Maharashtra, was active in this sphere as he makes plain on page 50 of May It Please Your Honour:
Born into a devotional Brahmin family, I instinctively came to revere Hindu religion, Hindu history and Hindu culture. I had been intensely proud of Hindudom as a whole. Nevertheless as I grew up I developed a tendency to free thinking unfettered by any superstitious allegiance to any ‘ism’, political or religious. That is why I worked actively for the eradication of untouchability and the caste system based on birth alone. I publicly joined anti-caste movements and maintained that all Hindus should be treated with equal status as to rights social and religious, and should be high or low on their merit alone and not through the accident of birth in a particular caste or profession. I used publicly to take part in organised anti-caste dinners in which thousands of Hindus, Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, Chamars and Bhangis broke the caste rules and dined in the company of each other.

Group photo of people accused in the murder of Gandhi. Standing (L to R): Shankar Kistaiya, Gopal Godse, Madan Lal Pahwa, Digambar Ramchandra Badge. Seated (L to R): Narayan Apte, Vinayak D. Savarkar, Nathuram Godse, Vishnu Karkare
Dhananjay Keer (1913-84) was himself born into one such Dalit caste and in 1954 brought out his biography of Dr. Ambedkar, which has since become an authoritative text on that architect of independent India’s constitution. He describes in detail the clash between Ambedkar and Gandhi, with the latter threatening to fast unto death unless plans for separate ‘untouchable’ electorates were shelved. Ambedkar was thus compelled into the 1932 Poona Pact. He felt Gandhi’s attitude was patronising and paternalistic. Yet at the same time Gandhi conceded to every Muslim demand and never used fast-unto-death as a weapon in this regard. in his 1946 book Pakistan or the Partition of India, Ambedkar used Gandhi and indeed all of Congress leaders as well as Hindu nationalists such as Savarkar get with the reality and realise that this was the only solution. Hence transfer of population was necessary as opposed to naive notions of communal harmony. He was of course proven right and his denunciations of Gandhi are even more acidic than that of Godse. When Gandhi was assassinated, Ambedkar did not issue any public statement.

Godse closes in for the kill. Taken from the 1963 fictionalised account of the assassination of Gandhi, ‘Nine Hours to Rama’; with German actor Horst Buchholz as Godse and J.S. Casshyap as Gandhi.
Godse was not alone among Hindu activists in combating caste. Veer Savarkar, often credited as the major ideologue of Hindu fundamentalism, also arranged for inter-caste dinners and other efforts at social reform. No less a biographer than the aforementioned Keer attests to this. So that is another shibboleth in the Gandhian armoury demolished. Indeed Gandhi has become such an icon and idol that any criticism of him as anything less is met with stinging rebuke. But no less a figure than Sri Aurobindo found Gandhi “outlandish” especially as he equated British imperialism with fascism, because under the latter his satyagraha would have earned him a bullet. Gandhian tactics would have been simply futile in the face of an oppressive totalitarian state. Aurobindo also denounced Gandhi’s idea that ahinsa could defeat the Axis, and his concession to the demands for Pakistan. Unlike Gandhi, Aurobindo did not read implicit pacifism in the Bhagavad Gita. Annie Besant castiagted Gandhi’s 1920 mass agitation as “a channel of hatred”, Alain Danielou regarded him as “sly and ascetic” as well as “truly repulsive” and that even Rabindranath Tagore thought of him as “a very dangerous man”.
In his book 2011 Civilization, Niall Ferguson takes issue with the act that Gandhi held that western civilisation and indeed imperialism had no redeeming features. Indeed in 1908 he called it “a disease”. Yet this imperialism was actually fighting disease through modern scientific research and in many cases sending out doctors to raise life expectancy of the colonised peoples. Yet Gandhi still saw no value in even this. Hitchens went further in denouncing Gandhi’s rejection of modernity:
He took to dressing in rags of his own manufacture, and sandals, and to carrying a staff, and expressing hostility to machinery and technology. He rhapsodized about the Indian village, where the millennial rhythms of animals and crops would determine how human life was lived. Millions of people would have mindlessly starved to death if his advice had been followed, and would have continued to worship cows….In the event it was Nehru and not Gandhi who led his country to independence, even at the awful price of partition. For decades, a solid brotherhood between British and Indian secularists and leftists had laid out the case for, and won the argument for the liberation of India. There was never any need for an obscurantist religious figure to impose his ego on the process and both retard and distort it. The whole case was complete without that assumption.
By contrast, both Savarkar and Godse had modern and rationalist mindsets, especially with regards to industry and development. Savarkar welcomed the machine age. Godse dismissed Gandhi’s reliance on his “inner voice”. Not only was it useless against Islamic separatism and imperialism as a whole it could not even influence the man whom Gandhi referred to as “brother Jinnah”. But Godse also denounced Gandhi’s romanticism of a pre-industrial past as totally impractical, signified by the spinning wheel or charkha:
The Charkha after 34 years of the best efforts of Gandhiji, had only led to the expansion of the machine-run textile industry by over 200 per cent. It is unable even now to clothe even one per cent of the nation.
In God is not Great, Christopher Hitchens wrote an almost exact parallel:
This wheel – which still appears on the Indian Congress Party flag – was the emblem of Gandhi’s rejection of modernity.
The rather uneconomic nature of Gandhian economics had already been picked up by historian Paul Johnson in his 1984 book Modern Times: A History of the World from the 1920s to the 1980s where not only would Gandhi’s food policies have led to mass starvation, but his own ‘simple’ lifestyle had to be heavily subsidised by the wealthy. The campaigns of mass civil disobedience went out of control leading to huge damage to both property and life. Danielou also found it ironic how this monkish character constantly needed his lifestyle funded by great Indian capitalists, such as having a third-class railway carriage especially adapted for him. It was fortunate for India that American agronomist Dr. Norman Ernest Borlaug introduced genetically modified high-yielding wheat into India which ensured that the country enjoyed a Green Revolution and not a red one. For his efforts Dr. Borlaug not only earned the Nobel Peace Prize, but was also awarded India’s second highest civilian honour, the Padma Vibhushan. Yet such a person would have been denounced by Gandhi.
The main thrust of this article has been Gandhi’s attitude towards the Jews. Godse had denounced the dictatorial control which his one time mentor had exerted over Congress. This was to have dire consequences for Indian foreign policy after it gained independence. We return to Shimoni, and page 3 of his aforementioned publication from 1977:
There is a remarkable continuity in the attitudes of India’s political leaders, before and after her attainment of independence, towards the Arab-Jewish conflict. Although in 1960 India reciprocated Israel’s earlier recognition of her own independence, this appears to have been no more than a temporary modification of her traditional policy. For the political elite of the Indian National Congress had sided with the Arabs against Jewish claims in Palestine for at least two decades before 1947. Moreover, India has not only consistently rejected all Israeli overtures to develop bilateral relations, but has also adopted an essentially hostile stance towards Israel in the international forum. While this policy was, no doubt, determined by the Indian leadership’s conception of its country’s self-interest, it has had the special advantage of being able to base its moral rationale on the example set by a man widely regarded as the epitome of moral and political conduct: Mohondas Karamchand Gandhi.
This can be witnessed in Gandhi’s very own grandson, the journalist Arun Gandhi. On 7 January 2008 he wrote this in his Jewish Identity Can’t Depend on Violence in the Washington Post:
Jewish identity in the past has been locked into the holocaust experience — a German burden that the Jews have not been able to shed. It is a very good example of a community can overplay a historic experience to the point that it begins to repulse friends. The holocaust was the result of the warped mind of an individual who was able to influence his followers into doing something dreadful. But, it seems to me the Jews today not only want the Germans to feel guilty but the whole world must regret what happened to the Jews. The world did feel sorry for the episode but when an individual or a nation refuses to forgive and move on the regret turns into anger….We have created a culture of violence (Israel and the Jews are the biggest players) and that Culture of Violence is eventually going to destroy humanity.”
As a result of the understandable outcry from many prominent figures including Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League and Efraim Zuroff, director of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Israel, he resigned his post as president of the M.K. Gandhi Institute for Nonviolence at the University of Rochester . But by accusing Jews of collectively exploiting the memory of the Holocaust, he was merely continuing a family tradition of anti-Semitism found in his notorious grandfather.
Now let us return to Hitchens. I recall seeing a television interview of him where he candidly admits to not being particularly fond of people from Yorkshire but makes no attempt to defend this prejudice, in fact doing the diametric opposite saying that he would be a better person if he did not have it in the first place. Yet he contrasts that with anti-Semitism which is an irrational conspiratorial hatred and “unfailing sign of a sick and disordered person”, a pseudo-intellectual form of bigotry which eventually becomes lethal in its manifestation. Now the teacher has to swap places with the disciple. Martin Luther King may have looked up to Gandhi but had an assassin’s bullet not intervened, and natural life-span permitted the latter to then enjoy almost a full century of earthly existence, he could have learnt much from his student. Just before his death in 1968, King said this at Harvard, in response to a student denouncing Zionism:
When people criticize Zionists they mean Jews, you are talking anti-Semitism.
That should make us clear in our minds when morally smug followers of Gandhi, and all those who invoke his name to neutralise even the mildest of critics into mindless Gandhi-worshipping zombies, try and defend the indefensible by manufacturing the most unconvincing of apologetics. As disciple and teacher now swap places, let us reflect on the words of Christopher Hitchens, which I have chosen from page 184 of his classic God is not Great:
One wishes every day that Martin Luther King had lived on and continued to lend his presence and his wisdom to American politics. For “the Mahatma,” who was murdered by members of a fanatical Hindu sect for not being devout enough, one wishes that he could have lived if only to see what damage he had wrought (and is relieved that he did not live to implement his ludicrous spinning-wheel program).
Just as Gandhi unconditionally backed the pan-Islamic and imperialist Khilafat movement in India so a new generation of western leaders such as Obama kow-tow to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and similar Salafist outfits in other parts of the region. A new Khilafat of the twenty-first century is arising out of the ashes of an Arab Spring which like Gandhism was doomed from the start. Gandhi’s unflinching antipathy towards Hindu and Jewish aspirations poisoned relations between India and Israel for over four decades after independence. Now a western version of the same peacenik fundamentalism threatens not just security for the state of Israel, but democracy itself. Those who refuse to learn from the past will repeat its mistakes. And this time there will be no second chance.

The comments written on the visitors’ book by U.S. President Barack Obama and Michelle Obama after paying homage at the Mahatma Gandhi memorial at Rajghat




































If the purpose of this article was to emphasize the impracticability of non-violence, and ergo Gandhi’s betrayal of the Jews under Nazi Germany or in supporting their biblical homeland, then I believe it has failed in it’s purpose.
I have read the histories of England, America, and India for many years. Our system of settling disputes by war, and the outcomes of the doctrine of force (as opposed to non-violence) is a repetitive tell of treachery and woe based on situational ethics and the expedients of war. Let those who dare, for instance, trace the extent of cruelty of the East Indian Trading Company under England and contrast these methods on how the British came into India against the way the British left due to Gandhi’s ahisma and truth force.
While the greatest men who have practiced similar doctrines are all but forgotten in the ages that have proceeded, they have not been without their proper historical effects as evidenced by the lives of John Huss of Prauge, Michael Servetus of France/Spain, and Sir. Henry Vane Jr of colonial America and the English Commonwealth, William Penn of Pensylvania. Truth and Freedom will win in the end.
It is also not without a coincident that Gandhi, Buddha, and even my personal Savior Jesus Christ, who is our God lived and died teaching the very same things. What Gandhi taught was correct, though we are as a race not able to properly carry the doctrine forward. Certainly Gandhi could not be expected to defend the deficiencies in the Jewish religious system that contradicted his own views on non-violence and the efficacy of the doctrine of force, which was directly opposite his own views. Gandhi, by the way was one of the first to note on how many points, and which ones, many major religions agreed on what the first principles of morality are.
Freedom and truth itself are universal natural principles as the founders of America knew (Ref. Pain, on Common Sense; and John Locke). They stood in defense of these truths, and while their means were not non-violent, they were always “first in defense, and last in attack.” Men like Washington, Stark, Hamilton, Grene, and Ethen Allen would never surrender principle, for foreign wars of aggression, deception, and torture. Even Hamilton, who was arguably one of the greatest of our founding fathers understood and took upon himself the shame of his adulterous affair, and yet was willing to die for honor and truth sake by standing uncompromisingly for the principles that he lived and died for (and many believe without firing a shot, as he had also instructed his Son a year before who died in a similar dual).
The difference between American founding principles and Indian is a small one, it revolves around the question of “if it is lawful to defend.” Gandhi’s answer was “no”, Washington’s was “yes.”
While I will personally side with Washington’s opinion, we should not weaken Gandhi’s legacy. Both were men of principle and were willing to die defending their beliefs, but in different ways.
Against an overwhelming force, I would submit that Gandhi’s method is the only practical one. That cooperation with evil, is an evil, and therefore must be resisted even to death, but with no reciprocal violence. If we live in a world where it is not possible but to resist evil, with collective force (hopefully on the side of good), we should also take care that we are standing on principle and the we do not become by the process of fratricidal wars exactly what we also are fighting against. I believe we have lost sight of what these first and universal or natural principles are and are in fact involved in many wars that are not really in the world’s best interest but likely only our own. We have also lost our way.
When our generals have proven themselves morally unfaithful, when the history of Iraq and Afganistan is without official record, and when we are guilty of torture and denying to others the rights we insist are the rights of all mankind, it is time that we rediscover our own morality before fighting further wars of aggression. We should not, for instance be endorsing Generals who were court martialed for torture as Presidential candidates.
This is what Gandhi always taught. It is also what Christ said, when he said “let he who is perfect, cast the first stone.” Let us once again say as we did at first, “first in defense, last in attack.” Let us clean our own house, before we clean the house of others. When we do this, America will be strong again. Others will follow our example and we will not be without credibility in an increasingly destablizing world.
If the purpose of this article was to emphasize the impracticability of non-violence, and ergo Gandhi’s betrayal of the Jews under Nazi Germany or in supporting their biblical homeland, then I believe it has failed in its purpose.
I have read the histories of England, America, and India for many years. Our system of settling disputes by war, and the outcomes of the doctrine of force (as opposed to non-violence) is a repetitive tell of treachery and woe based on situational ethics and the expedients of war. Let those who dare, for instance, trace the extent of cruelty of the East Indian Trading Company under England and contrast these methods on how the British came into India against the way the British left due to Gandhi’s ahisma and truth force.
While the greatest men who have practiced similar doctrines are all but forgotten in the ages that have proceeded, they have not been without their proper historical effects as evidenced by the lives of John Huss of Prauge, Michael Servetus of France/Spain, and Sir. Henry Vane Jr of colonial America and the English Commonwealth. Truth and Freedom will win in the end.
It is also not without a coincident that Gandhi, Buddha, and even my personal Savior Jesus Christ, who is our God lived and died teaching the very same things. What Gandhi taught was correct, though we are as a race not able to properly carry the doctrine forward. Certainly Gandhi could not be expected to defend the deficiencies in the Jewish religious system that contradicted his own views on non-violence and the efficacy of the doctrine of force, which was directly opposite his own views. Gandhi, by the way was one of the first to note on how many points, and which ones, these major religions agreed on what the first principles of morality are.
Freedom and truth itself are universal natural principles as the founders of America knew. They stood in defense of these truths, and while their means were not non-violent, they were always “first in defense, and last in attack.” Men like Washington, Stark, Hamilton, Grene, and Ethen Allen would never surrender principle, for foreign wars of aggression, deception, and torture. Even Hamilton, who was arguably one of the greatest of our founding fathers understood and took upon himself the shame of his adulterous affair, and yet was willing to die for honor and truth sake by standing uncompromisingly for the principles that he lived and died for. The difference between American founding principles and Indian is a small one, it revolves around the question of “if it is lawful to defend.” Gandhi’s answer was “no”, Washington’s was “yes.”
While I will personally side with Washington’s opinion, we should not weaken Gandhi’s legacy. Both were men of principle and were willing to die defending their beliefs, but in different ways. Against an overwhelming force, I would submit that Gandhi’s method is the only practical one. That cooperation with evil, is an evil, and therefore must be resisted even to death, but with no reciprocal violence. If we live in a world where it is not possible but to resist evil, with collective force (hopefully on the side of good), we should also take care that we are standing on principle and the we do not become by the process of fratricidal wars exactly what we also are fighting against. I believe we have lost sight of what these first and universal or natural principles are and are in fact involved in many wars that are not really in the world’s best interest but likely only our own.
When our generals have proven themselves morally unfaithful, when the history of Iraq and Afganistan is without official record, and when we are guilty of torture and denying to others the rights we insist are the rights of all mankind, it is time that we rediscover our own morality before fighting further wars of aggression. This is what Gandhi always taught. It is also what Christ said, when he said “let he who is perfect, cast the first stone.” Let us once again say at the minimum, “first in defense, last in attack.” Let us clean our own house, before we clean the house of others.
Well Robert I am not exactly sure how the article ‘failed’. And what exactly were the deficiencies in the Jewish religion which Gandhi pointed out?
Gandhi was not the reason why the British left India. Britain was bankrupt after the Second World War. India had provided the largest volunteer army to fight the Axis. Britain’s imperial might rested on this massive loyal force. They had been shaken that POWs in Singapore and Malaya would join the Japanese sponsored Indian National Army of Subhas Chandra Bose. Even more so they were shaken by the Navy’s mutiny of 1946. Better to cut and run than face an uprising. Prime Minister Attlee himself said Gandhi’s impact on the British leaving had been ‘minimal’.
As for Gandhi’s ahimsa. He was selective. He asked Hindus and Sikhs to lay down their lives even if Muslims were intent on their extermination. Same advice to Jews. So should America have practised non-violent resistance to al-Qaeda after 9/11? Do you seriously think that will work? Would ahimsa have worked at Lexington. Would George III have then repealed unfair taxes and granted self-government?
Wel Said Ranbir Singh. its the duty of muslims to clean off non-muslims, in India case it was Hindus,Shikhs. And rest of the world the other non-muslims like Jewish, Egypt-Christians, like wise it goes on. but the basic is remains constant, which is kill all non-muslims or convert to islam. Well that final stage(#3) called Darul Islam (only Islam rules). Before that they will appear friendly in stage #1 (Darul Ahad) and make an adjustitment with the mojority. As soon as they increase in % or their voice is heard loud, they move to stage#2(Darul Harab). Gandhi should have known this, India will be much better state now, after the partition. He unnecessarily allowed the cancer to remain in India now its growing very fast with vote bank politics.
Unfortunate thing is Most of India Muslims also not aware such thing is there. even if they come to know some thing such Injected through Madrasas (now controlled by Soudi money), they may be afraid to accept or oppose(after all islam’s was survived due to fear of death, as some top mulla openly said).
Much worst thing is our Indian muslims are also Hindus who got converted during Muslims rulings (who suffered so much and finally could have submitted only to save their lives and their generations), so basically these Muslims/Mugals rulers made hindus(Indian muslims) fight against Hindus, such a dangerous is this virus/cancer. Our Indian Muslims what they don’t know is the next chapters of Islam, once they reach 100% islam they they will fight again and first kill this Hindu converted muslim by the next upper level muslim(has some direct/indirect decadence from mugals or so).
Eg what happens now in pakistan sunni vs shias or one sect of muslims vs another sect. the Quran/sunnah(Mohammad’s deeds/atrocities) are the root cause for all this cult.
Thanks Kir! The Arab Spring and especially what’s happening nwo in Syria will wake people up the reality. As for the laughable democratic elections in Pakistan, well that country just goes from disaster to disaster every 5 minutes. At least the Islamic reality is there for all to see no matetr how much the CAIR stormtroopers try to pull the wool over our eyes.
Certainly, Gandhi did not agree with an “eye for eye” type doctrine, not that he would dream of repudiating the Jewish religion. I have met Arjun Gandhi, and read much of Gandhi’s works including Hind Swaraj, or Truth Force, several times. You pointed out that Gandhi never seemed to understand the Old Testament. I think that is accurate, he could not the law of sacrifices and so forth. I do not believe he could ever get past the reciprocal nature of Jewish justice. It is not how he thought. Certainly there was much that he admired, but with a non-critical eye, which was his way.
You are wrong on the supposition that Gandhi had little or nothing to do with the British leaving India. Sure the British were broke, and Gandhi had no direct influence on certain key people. However, through most of the British history of Indian occupation, India was a money maker. What changed? Gandhi had immense influence on public opinion in India, and in Great Britain have been understated by you in this article. While this influence was not unlimited, I believe it to be incalculable. If the U.S. were to pull out from Afghanistan today, would it be because of public opinion, U.S. finances, or the work of several key people. Perhaps all these factors. Certainly Gandhi, had a hand in the politics of India after they left. The Nobel Price commission eventually acknowledged his life’s work and contribution to Indian Home Rule, you should acknowledge that he was influential and has to this day a valid legacy. Has his influence also been overstated by others, perhaps.
Now on the surface I believe you would strongly contracts the approach of the Americans in the American Revolution, with Gandhi and his non-violent approach to a peaceful revolution, but in my view the difference is not very much.
At the time of the American Revolution, it was high time for armed resistance. A careful study of our revolution shows that ahisma was practiced at Lexington and before, and it worked.
I quote from David Ramsay, The History of the American Revolution, Vol. I, page 173 in reference to the battle at Lexington, “Whatsoever was done by either party by way of precaution, for the purpose of self defense was construed by the other as preparatory to an intended attack…The patient and the politic New-England men, fully sensible of their situation, submitted to many insults, and bridled their resentments…the behavior of the people of Boston is particularly worthy of imitation, by those who wish to overturn established governments…they avoided every kind of outrage and violence, preserved peace and good order among themselves, successfully engaged the other colonies to make a common cause with them, and counteracted general Gage so effectually as to prevent his doing any thing for his royal master, while by patience and moderation they screened themselves from censure. Though resolved to bear as long as prudence and policy dictated, they were all the time preparing for the last extremity. They were furnishing themselves with arms and ammunition, and training their militia…
“Disperse you rebels, throw down your arms and disperse.” They still continued in a body, on which he advanced nearer – discharged his pistol and ordered his soldiers to fire. This was done with a huzza. A dispersion of the militia was the consequence, but the firing of the regulars was nevertheless continued. Individuals finding they were fired upon, though dispersing, returned the fire…”
The only difference between Gandhi, and these men was the belief that in the utmost extremity, it was lawful to return fire in self defense. As you know the British barely had any survivors that made their way back to Boston that day, because morality was clearly on those who nonviolently resisted and then, and only when absolutely necessary, returned fire and then gave chase behind every fence, tree, and hill all the way back to Boston.
This does not mean that Gandhi’s methods of absolute non-violence can’t work. They are also taught in the pages of the New Testament. Impractical to be sure. But right as the words of Jesus always are.
I am glad the brave men at Lexington returned fire.
Both movements have their place in history. Both movements started with extreme self restraint, and ended in the same way. I say credit to the men of Lexington, and credit to Gandhi for non-violent resistance to British home rule of India. There certainly was no rush to war in either case.
You can argue that Gandhi’s methods are probably impractical, but I do not believe that you can argue that it is not right to stand against tyrany with or without a gun. It is a strange story, the American Revolution. At the beginning, all American could not have wished for anything but a reconciliation of their rights as Englishmen. All they wanted was justice, and their rights. At the end, they would have nothing short of their freedom. Their self restraint in the beginning made them strong and sure of themselves. When the time for self defense came, their were men there that knew and cared about what was right. They did not dishonor themselves and their nation.
“With an heart full of love and gratitude, I now take leave of you, I most devoutly wish that your latter days may be as prosperous and happy, as your former ones have been glorious and honorable.” George Washington’s farewell address.
I would only ask if the way we conduct warfare today is as honorable as Washington, or as principled as Gandhi’s. I believe that it is not until we have learned the principles of ahisma, that we are qualified to know when armed resistance to tyranny is moral.
Robert the sad fact is that the Gandhi myth was created by Congress Party after independence, later to polished up by Richard Attenboroug’s biopic. When Britain withdrew from India the Labour government was making plans to increase its stronghold in Africa. In fact white immigration into Rhodesia increased in the 1950s. Churchill did not take kindly to Roosevelt’s Atlantic Charter, saying that such rules did not apply to the empire. Gandhi’s tole in India’s independence has been vastly overstated due to this myth making. Who hears of the revolutionaries such as Veer Savarkar, Mandanlal Dhingra, Kartar Singh Sarabha, Lala Lajpat Rai? Gandhi denounced Bhagat Singh, Rajguru and Sukhdev for using violence. Yet he called Moplahs his brothers when they raped, massacred and forcibly converted Hindus. What did Gandhi achieve in South Africa? Nothing. Smuts backstabbed him and increased discrimination. Ironically it was Verwoerd who said in 1961 that Indians were in South Africa permanently. Gandhian tactics failed against apartheid. Gandhi’s ahimsa would not have been effective in the Holocaust. It was the Warsaw Ghetto uprising that was the only realistic option. Same when Israel was attached by neighbours in 1948. What use would non violence have been then (in fact what use is land for peace now)?
Gandhian tactics were useful and I have acknowledged them. That is why Martin Luther King was effective. the violence against peaceful Americans was broadcast through the medium of television. Gandhi did not have this and judging by his denouncement of even western medicine he would not even have seen its value. The same tactic was used in Northern Ireland’s civil rights marches which shocked the rest of UK.
the worst legacy of Gandhi is that all Hindus are taught to be like him. Gandhi denounced Shivaji, Maharana Pratap and Guru Gobind Singh as misguided patriots for militant resistance to Islamic colonialism. But without them all India would have been Islamified. Gobind Singh reminds us in the zafarnama that when peaceful means fail it is right to use the sword. But most of all is Shri Krishna’s advice to Arjuna in the Mahabharata at the battle of Kurukshetra, as enshrined in the Bhagvad Gita. It is Arjuna’s duty to fight in the cause of Truth against evil. In this case it was his own relations, the Kauravas. And Gandhi always loved to quote the Gita. Perhaps he shoudl have lived by it more.
Certainly we may need to just agree to disagree on the impact of Gandhi.
I’m glad that you have acknowledged Gandhi’s tactics were useful. I am interested in learning more on some of the overlooked heros you have mentioned. Certainly I am not an expert at everything and I do not know the history of the Indian independece as well as I know the story of American. I have been an admirer of Gandhi and his ideas for some time. I have studied the Indian Colonial period more than the modern era. So you may be right.
I do also personally believe that there comes a time that it is our duty to fight in the cause of Truth against evil. But it needs to be unavoidable like with Arjuna. With the story of Arjuna, I believe we have common ground. I also believe that there are many overlooked heros in history. Some have fought non-violently, and others non so much but are heros for the same reasons nonetheless.
Perhaps it may be that Gandhi had an inpact, but other had more and are overlooked. I am very ok with that possibility.
Thank you for not alowing this diolgue to devolve from the principles of mutual respect. I personally believe that rushing to war, without consideration of questions of honor and morality is wrong. War is always of questionable morality, I do believe it is imperitive to pause and question whether it is ever right, and when it is right to be sure that everyone can know and acknowledge the justification of armed resistence. I think where we are unsure, Gandhi’s tactics are best.
Remember that in war, innocent individuals are always harmed. I also maintain that peaceful resistence to lawful or unlawful authority is always a right of every individual and that cooperation with evil is always evil. A nation committed to this priciple can not be ruled by evil. Even force can not win against ahisma.
I believe it to be more couragous to stand without a gun, than with one in the face of evil unless doing so actually causes more harm than good. However, I can not believe that I am one that would stand idealy by and see harm come to those I love. I am not good enough for that, but I hope to be wise enough to make a skillful choice when the time comes and stand with courage either armed or unarmed as the case may be.
All the Best
Robert D. Miles, P.E.
Thank you for your input Robert. It was certainly enlightening for myself and I would think for the wider readership. Moreover, that is the great thing about democracy and free speech, in that we can all open our minds and work towards better understanding.
I agree. Thank you for listening. I think it is particularly relevant that the American Revolution started with essentially non-violent resistance. In doing so, the country found its national sole. Therefore when armed resistance became an imperative as the only way to avoid slavery, few doubted that the cause was just. The rush to war, and search for justifications in most armed conflicts is simply that, a rush to war and reciprocal justifications in the use of force. I believe there is a duty, and a sacrifice required to justify before the world that any conflict is just.
Greetings;
For many years I was a general contractor in California. I knew of no one who would do business with any ‘dot’ Indian as we knew them to be frauds and liars. They have no honor, no ethics, no sense of shame. In fact, all the huge slum properties in many states are owned by Indians (not feathers, but dot.)
And for the record, Moslems are just as bad!
Jews I can do business with … as they understand ‘force’.
If anyone dislikes these facts, they can go piss up a rope!
Buck, for start Moslems/Muslims are followers of a religion not a race.
Now as to stereotyping all Indians as lacking ethics, well that’s like condemning all white people for being slum owners when Martin Luther King marched through Chicago in 1966, or rapacious exploitative landowners in Zimbabwe – which would of course be rather ignorant and stupid. Or blaming all blacks for crime due to LA Riots?
What do you mean Jews understand ‘force’? Considering how the Warsaw Ghetto uprising unnerved the Nazis and how Israel has won all wars launched against it I don’t where exactly that leaves your comment which panders to Leftist and Marxist ideas about how all conservatives must be ignorant and racist. Pathetic really!
Great reply. I will will restrain my need to amplify the response in my own words. Well said Ranbir!
Wow, talk about transferance! for Many years I was a supporting member of Free Republic dot com. But when I found out the truth about 09-11, Jim Robinson himself, kicked me off his site. See to remain a member of FR, one must chant the manthra that your .gov loves you and wants only the best for you.
If the Republicans take control of the White House, FR members will cheerfully report to the nearest FEMA camp!
p.s I retired at age 46, and have more money than I’ll ever spend!
Buck your financial status is of complete irrelevance. I can just imagine how would act if someone of an ethnic group you disapprove of would have said that. You would have tagged them with that stupid ‘dot Indian’ label. Then again what can anyone expect off an ignorant type who thinks 9/11 was inside job and is an avid reader of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? It’s pretty obvious that you are wasting your money down some neo-Nazi ponzi scheme if you seriously believe in all that rubbish!
Get real, I’ve dealt with Indians, and frankly, while they are very inteligent, they have ethics… why do think they all want to get out of that shit hole called India?
I remember back when I was a cop in California, I saw a little Mexican fellow getting ready to beat someone with his hammer. So I stopped and asked what the problem was. He told me that he had worked for two weeks for a ‘Indian man’ who then refused t pay him and threaten him with deportation should he complain to the authoritites. I then paid a call on the crook who plyed the ‘no speakie the english games’. But I noted on his walls ere degrees from various UK ‘red brick’ universities. ME: HMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmm
So I made phone call and found out he worked at one of our state universities… teaching and making about $90 per year.
So I got a warrant for him and arrested him in front of his class room.
The Holy Bible tells us to be fair with our employees and the California Penal Code makes it a feloney to cheat them. See? I was doing the Lord’s Work (Patting myself on the back)
And don’t even try he Neo-Nazi b/s on me. I’ve been to the basement of the Simon Wiensthal (sp) center, helping to track down old Nazis. If you don’t believe me, call Mark or AAron who work there and ask them if they remember visits from a detective from San Bernardino County.
Now go eat your portion of crow.
Chris if you are going to insult someone get your facts right. Hindus avoid eating ‘cow’ not ‘crow’.
So you base your entire view of Indians on a Mexican guy with a hammer who wasn’t paid. Great idea! Let us forget the democratic foundations of America and just concentrate on slavery and the Ku Klux Klan. Is that objective and fair?
Now while we are on the rhetorical question route and your obsession with racial stereotyping. So India is a ‘shithole’ and people cannot wait to get out? OK, a bit like nice European countries like Ireland during the Potato Famine perhaps? Indeed why stop there. A bit like Portugal right now where young people cannot wait to leave for jobs in their nation’s former African colony of Angola? I mean they actually want to go and live in Angola! Or how about Spain where there is an exodus to Mexico where your little non-white ‘friend’ (cough) came from in that cameo incident you just bored us to death with? How about the mass migration of unemployed graduates from Ireland to Australia and Canada? Yes that’s happening right now. In fact isn’t even Detroit reverting back to forest and farmland? Meanwhile American and other companies are queuing up to invest in India. So now who needs to get real?
Does not the Holy Bible palso ut stress on avoiding to cheat and lie? It looks as if by tracking down Nazis who developed some sort of Stockholm syndrome, a bit like Paul Rassinier, former inmate of Buchenwald who became the godfather of Holocaust denial. And your nice little pat on the back for doing the Lord’s work sounds like the same self-righteous narrow-mindedness that led to a misfortunate bunch of naive idealists to voluntarily drink cyanide in Guyana’s Jonestown in 1978. I guess it could have been worse. That Mexican might have suffered a Rodney King moment. But I suppose even racial bigots like you have their sliding scale of which of the inferior races is even more inferior.
Meanwhile let us look at what you really believe:
http://consciouslifenews.com/911-offical-version-attack-pentagon-enormous-lie/1134651/
” Buck Jackson
October 25, 2012 – 10:54 AM
No aircraft hit the Pentagon. It was a directed energy beam… fired by who?
Notice the five light poles that were knocked down: No paint transfer, no debris from the contact.
Keep in mind, it was reporedt 4 large aircraft had shut down their transponders and no F-16s put aloft to protect Washington?
No JoeSnuffywith MANPADs assigned to cover the approaches.?
Not one person was demoted or punished for all the screw ups that day?
All a giant hoax”
Correction The Indian crook was making $90,000 per year.
Also, remember there are two kinds of ‘Jews’. Torah Jews, these are the ones the Creator of the Uiverse entrusted to raise Jesus of Nazareth, and then there are Talmaudic Jews; the ones Jesus called the Sons of Satan.
And a Talmaudic Jew will murder a Torah Jew in a New York second.
Oh boy this just gets better and better. So obviously working at Simon Wisenthal Centre really had a mind destroying effect on you or was it just a bad camoflage.
Shame about your anti-Semitism, but then I guess it’s hardly a suprise is it? There are not 2 kinds of Jews. There are many in fact, including Yemeni, Beta Israel (Falashas) and Bene Israel, who are not even white. But I’m sure you have some crazy racial theory to explain that (oh yawn!).
(Continuing)
RE: Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.
It was required reading in my detail (Cults and Child Murders)
So tell me why Monica Lewinsski and Heidi Fleiss were commiting whoredoms with Goyim me? And Fleiss’s father, a very wealthy M.D., helped her launder the money, knowing it was proceeds from her being a whore? Well, her father is a Talmaudic Jew – Same with Lewinski.
RE: 9-11, at first, I didn’t want to believe it was an inside job, but with my construction background, I know it was. This saddens me as I’ve worked with the FBI many times and thoght they had ethics.nope, they are all a bunch of crooks.
Look at tower #7 at WTC, wy did it fall?
Also look at the light poles that the Pentagon plane supposed to have hit. No aircraft or missle in the world could have remained aloft after those five strikes. Personally, I think it was a directed energy beam via the Red Chinese.
Back to dot Indians. Many of them have gone into the trucking business, but no one will have them unless they are the only oneleft on the lot. Indians (dot not feathers) refuse to maintain their vehicles so they are road worthy. They really don’t care if they endanger the public as they hate white people andd consider us ‘suckers’ for allowing them and the fility ways into our beautiful nation. Did I tell you Indian food smells like poo-poo? It does you know!
Now you got me worked up, so I’m going haveto call my Jewish girlfriend over to give me a Lewinski.
There are plenty of ‘whores’ who are not Jewish. In fact that whole sentence about Lewinski is meaningless rubbish trying to equate Jews with sex trade and money laundering. But then if someone like yourself takes the Protocols as fact (when it has about as much reality at Bugs Bunny) then what hope is there? A job as David Duke’s cleaner perhaps?
The WTC comments are even more hilarious considering how you take them seriously. A beam by the Red Chinese? what a joke! So they use that on the WTC but leave Taiwan and the Spratley Islands alone? Hmmmmm!
If you don’t like Indian food then ok, but it’s your loss. I dont’t to go around smelling excrement but hey whatever sh** your into that’s personal choice (influence of Police Squad in that comment). In fact why don’t you reject all dot India stuff while you are at it such as decimal numbers and the zero. That way you can become famous as the first person to try and program in binary using Roman numerals (he said smiling sarcastically). As to flithy ways I dont think Pocohontas and her crew were exactly enamoured with the Pilgrim Fathers turning up and making ‘squatter camps’. But I guess it all turned out ok in the end throigh what is called tolerance and respect, something which you evidently lack in your quest for a (socialist) racial utopia.
if I have got you worked up perhaps you should try yoga or meditation. Oh silly me that’s more of those dirty Indian ways which you allowed into your beautiful country (along with decimal numbers, binary and certain other important scientific advances). Now run along and put that Mein Kampf away before your (non-existent) Jewish girlfriend arrives. I hope your Aryan god forgives you for breaking racial taboos, but then again what the hell none of us is perfect!
Continuing; It will be a good half an hour before my Lewinski gets here: She’s having her hair done.
So why don’t you move to Zimwabe? I certain a man of your intelligence would be very welcome there.(snicker)
re; The Holocaust: While on assignment in Germany, I stayed at a high dollar hotel (the per dieum is very good while overseas) I was chatting with some Irish lads, while an old SS regiment was having a reunion. Some of them wandered over and began speaking with us. Keep in mind, not one Jew was able to find refugee status in the Irish Republic, not one. One Jewish sailor jumped ship, but De Ve Lara, ordered him back aboard, he was later murdered in a NAZI death camp -continuing,So these old SS men were speaking frankly, as they thought I was Irish, not Scot-Irish.
They admitted to shooting down men – women and children Just following orders they said. But they did state they avoided shooting certain Jews, if they were not involved in the Communist Party. They risked assignment to ‘punishment battalions’ if they were discovered to have ignored their orders.
I now do research for interested parties who really want the truth. I only charge $1200 per day, which includes everything but travel expenses. I don’t nickle and dime my clients as I really don’t need the money. Most of which goes to an orphanage in Brazil.
Remember, as an officer of the law, I took and held to an oath to protect all peope, not just ones who are favored by .gov.
Of course, as an Indian, this concept is forgien to you.
By the way, the Indian guy I arrest and got deported?
His name was Singh!
Enjoy your day Mr. Singh – and remember, God Loves You Too!
Thanks for the offer of Zimbabwe Chuck but I tend to avoid places where the government victimises people on account of race. Now you on the other hand……
I am not sure why you introduced this issue about Ireland not accepting Jewish refugees unless you thought this was the same time as the Potato Famine. Or this conversation with SS who apparently exempted Jews from execution if they were not communists. So was Anne Frank a communist? How about all the women and children who were shot and gassed? Were they active card carrying members of the communist party? If you follow this type of mucky propaganda you really should move to Zimbabwe as you would feel right at home.
You certainly seemed to have had an interesting life. Policeman, construction worker, employee of the Simon Wisenthal Centre (who fraternises with SS veterans and calls Jews whores and yet gets sexually intimate with them), and now it looks like you were in the military. As for this research money you say you don’t need so why charge the money then lad? You send money to an orphanage in Brazil? Boy this yanr just gets better and better. I mean it’s so far fetched it makes David Irving look like a serious academic.
How is the ‘concept’ foreign to me? One minute you favour certain races, then you hate them, and then you talk about taking an oath. Are you trying to get a job as Robert Mugabe’s speech writer?
By the way ‘Singh’ is common name, so maybe I was related to this person you mention. Hear about the most famous African-American recording artist. His name was ‘Jackson’. Any relation? If so you better skip that KKK meeting tonight.
Enjoy your day also Chuck. It’s good talking interactive comedy once in a while!
Buck,
By the way, I am not at all clear on what your basic point is. Perhaps you had something more specific to say than certain nations/races are misguided. Was this truly your point. You don’t like Indians? Who is Jim Robinson?
Protocols of the Elders of Zion has been conclusively debunked by many independent scholars. Do you truly believe the half truths and lies of this seminal work of hate. It is pure tripe, and was a big part of Nazi justification for the total solution against the Jews. If so, do you really wish to engage us on such a topic in actual debate? If you helped track down Nazi’s, why, did you also sympathize with them. I am very unclear on the point you are making, so please enlighten us.
Are you honestly advocating for this kind of error as per Protocols? While I admit there probably are conspiracies, but is it necessary to resort to the same old lies as have deceived prior generations and brought so much destruction.
If so, we should appreciate the chance to set you straight.
If not, please let us know where you stand.
Ranbir, your comments are spot on.
This is an example of how “hate is often racially or religiously motivated.” I feel sorry for Mr. Jackson. I do not believe he understands how he is a mistaken, and how his hate has corrupted him. Clearly this hate and prejudice is clear to you.
We all have very strong biases and deeply held beliefs. This is why in my opinion “resisting evil is a moral duty” and also “why the use of force should be limited to extreme cases of self-defense only” and why Gandhi in my opinion called for not even using it these cases because so few people can actually say that they love their fellow Muslim, Buddhist, Christian, or Jewish brothers and sisters unless they where also painted in the same color and hue.
Until we are able to make proper moral choices, we are unqualified to apply either Ahisma or Satyagraha or make a proper determination of our duty in self or national defense. In order to arrive at that point, it may be first necessary to re-educate our friend Mr. Jackson and many like him. I would also point out how Gandhi believed Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, and Islam agreed on these points. I am not certain Gandhi was completely correct, but it is a question worth serious examination.
Once this is done I think the possibility of resisting evil by force or non-violence will be greatly improved because we will know where the evil must be conquered first. In our own hearts, and in our national and religious prejudices. It is hardly necessary to point out that Mr. Jackson has been obviously blinded by some traumatic experiences to generalize, and therefore reflect in his own person the very evil he seems to be against because somewhere or other he and others has also been harmed. This is the effect of reciprocal violence, hate, and prejudice which all have the same common root. It is the justification of violence in so many cases. This is why hate can never end by hate, but only by love as Buddha taught (and others I might add).
No doubt there is very little that I can say, but a withering retort is required here in the hopes that reason and truth can be heard.
My daughter who works for International Justice Missions, and who will soon be going to Myanmar to teach English in the Kachin state and I are very sensitive to this type of thing. As Christians who have studied very broadly, we pray for the end of violence and that the prejudice and hate that we have collectively experienced on this earth may be healed and that the people of every nation will be free and enjoy the self-rule and love that makes man free. Seek first to understand, and then to be understood.
I have recently returned from Honduras where we are working with six remote villages to bring them water and other essentials over a period of five years. We would never consider evangalizing as it is clear to us that they know more of God than we do. We hope that our own materialism and pride will not be an barrier for their restoration to a healthy and prosperous life. It is clear that we in the West have many opportunities and do not understand what we have been given. These Hondurans are, in my opinion, far more worthy of any opportunity than we are. The smallest gift to them is appreciated immeasurably. Their gratitude for the little that I have done for them convicts me deeply as to my own neglect. I realize that few really understand what I am saying and that breaks my heart. I would also point out that unless we are able to lay aside our own pride, and love more – the world can not be healed. This is the primary question, how to love better. Gandhi understood that.
The question of if or not it is permissible to self-defend should be the very last question, and the very last resort in my opinion. Even in a last resort case, it may some times be more advisable to use Gandhi’s tactics of non-violent but heroic defiance of authority. There are many injustices, and the world system is corrupt. We must change it, and we have the power to do so if we will desire so to do. It is better to do so peacefully, than to be pushed to the last extremity where force becomes indisputably necessary or even a duty.
Even then, and though I do not understand it, I often question that as Gandhi was right about so much, perhaps he was also right in his absolute pacifism. Though technically I believe I agree with you and your general thesis that we can not take Gandhi’s philosophy so far as he did. Still we should consider his position and his basis for it as it is an important one. The only other path is the path of hate and war. But as long as the gold and dark threads are intertwined as they are, I believe resistance by force is also sometime necessary and a duty.
Robert thank you again for your enlightened comments. Yes ahimsa is an ideal we cannot all live up to. Chuck is the prime example of someone who has let hate blind him towards striving for some higher purpose. We are here for but a fleeting moment and can do something constructive with our lives or just get consumed by hatred. It is up to us how we use that energy and also how we use our knowledge, skills and intelligence.
Thanks again Robert!
Exactly so.
Thank you Ranbir.
Continuing:
I believe we are on different planets, taling past each other:
For the record, go to “Comments’, Answers of an alien from Andromeda’ You will see that I frequently chat with a fellow from India. But you won’t as it will destroy yur ‘worldview’.
Buck we may well indeed be on different planets. Maybe you do indeed chat to a fellow from India but judging by your conspiracy theories and blurring of reality with some racially dystopian version of grand theft auto it obviously looks like that has had about as much effect on you as it would putting Charles Manson through rehab.
Read the post as well as all the comments. Enjoyed the article, so also the enlightening comments duel between Ranbir Singh and Robert Miles, and a movie is never lively without a villain. They automatically creep in.
Regarding Gandhi, I must admit that perhaps one doesn’t need to be a historian of any denomination because some basic unbiased examination of few events will unfold the mockery Gandhi was to Indians aka Hindus. I respect him as an elderman but not as politician, which he never was, just like our current Anna Hazare. He was honest but honesty is a disqualification in politics especially in the current vitiated neck to neck competitive situation.
Even though Ranbir Singh has captioned it relating him to Jews but I felt that this post is no less referenced to Hindus too. Hence a word in the caption could have sanctified it equally well to deify Hindus as well.
Coming back to Gandhi, Ranbir Singh starts with a nice fronticepiece, “There is no God higher than Truth” Mahatma Gandhi. While I can understand the hidden angst of Ranbir, I like to start from here. It also reminds me of Gandhi’s own famous autobiography, “My Experiments with Truth”.
Gandhi has been likened to an Apostle of Truth globally as well as at Home, mostly by the loyalists of the dynasty family (Nehru-Gandhi). But was he truely an Apostle of Truth or a blatant lier and a fake political weak nerved Samaritan? I may like to expand my view with the following rejoinders:
(1) He had said that the Indian National Congress should be desolved after independence but it never happened. OK, we may say or pretend that Gandhi was not directly involved in post independence Indian politics! How can one reconcile with this view when it was Gandhi who maneouvered to help Nehru become the first PM even overriding the overwhelming choice of Sardar Patel. Nehru was a traitor vis a vis Patel.
(2) Gandhi did say, “Indian partition will occur on my dead body”. Partition did take place in the well known meeting on 3rd June 1947 at the Mountbatten’s office sans Gandhi. Later on in his following prayer meeting at Birla Mandir, Gandhi shamelessly admited that now it was Nehru their leader, not me. I would have respected Gandhi far more as the Great Apostle of Truth if Gandhi would have commited suicide to uphold his truth.
(3) Everyone is familiar with this (in)famous ubiquitous indigenised name, Sonia Gandhi, “Who lent this dubious ‘Gandhi’ title to this Italian born (no objection to Italian except in her fictitius character personally) fraud lady”? How many people are aware of this hidden Gandhian nontruth? Indira was converted to Islam as Memuna Begum in London to marry her beloved husband Feroze Khan aka Gandhi. World is told that Feroze was a Persian, hence Rajiv Gandhi also a persian, not a Muslim. Both Rajiv and Sanjay (true name is Sanjiv in consonance to Ranjiv) were circumcised and their fathers were two different people. I shall not dwell in this as I am more directly concerned with the Apostle of Truth.
(4) It was Gandhi alone who advised Nehru to ask and persuade Feroze Khan to change his title as Gandhi, than Khan to masquerade as a Hindu aka Parsi to make it more politically correct at the time of partition when the entire milieu was charged with “Hindu-Muslim” sentiments. Nehru conceded seeing wisdom in it because Nehru could go to any extent to be 1st PM and Nehru acquiesed. This truth directly enacted by “Mahatma Gandhi, the Apostle of Truth” is not even touched by him in his own autobiography. Why and does it make him a man of any credibility as the Apostle of Truth, or I ask “was he”.
(5) Lastly I finish by quoting a myth of Gandhi that relates to this traitor first PM Nehru (forgive me for my utter disdain for these two Indian great frauds). Gandhi never uttered the last words “Hey Ram”, yet it was popularsed by Nehruvianism to deify Gadhi as the Great Apostle because “Ram” is highly sacred word to a Hindu. It also helped Nehru, to assassinate Godse and clamp down on RSS (which is bewitched even now by the barking Congress dogs, e.g. Shinde, Digvijay Singh etc)because the then growing Hindu sentiments (from partition on religious lines)
was a dire threat to Nehru and it provided a big amunition to label Godse as RSS man and annihilate Hindu sentiments for good. Not only that people like Shyama Prasad Mukherjee,
who was Nehruvian but a diehard nationalist (not RSS) at that time were dubiously killed by Nehru.
Gandhi’s last words were – “Aah” like any other mortal would have done, but this would not have deified him (Gandhi) and the great political game of Nehru would have been utterly and surely defeated. I would have liked Gandhi to have died a Saintly death by commiting suicide soon before partition and immediately after 3rd June 1947. Gandhi died an inglorious death, in my eyes.
Sudriana, many thanks for your enlightened and very inormative comments. Gandhi’s double standards vis-a-vis Hindus are more well known than his anti-Semitism. That is why I wrote this. Neverthless Hindus are constantly reminded of “remember what gandhi said” as if Gandhi is always the normative reference point. The fact remains what did Gandhi achieve? In South Africa his campaign ended up being a long-term failure. Now as for Nehru, watch this space. I have some intresting stuff on hism coming out! For example how this ardent Stalin and Mao worshipper went running to JFK for American arms when China invaded and defeated an Indian army which he as prime minister had not even properly equipped.
Also people ignore that Godse may have been a member of the RSS, but he had also been a member of Nehru and Gandhi’s Congress Party. By assassinating Gandhi, Godse ensured his martyrdom and exploitation as an icon by Nehru’s progeny.
Dear Ranbir Singh,
Thanks. Nehru was a catastrophe to the newly born Indian baby. Just a word, Nehru’s frauds are now coming to light as the internet gets more and more entrenched into bigger audiences. You may also recall, “How he had gone to America in mid ninteen fifties for food supply and was rebuffed shamsfully. Nehru taught Indians beggary, loss of self esteem, sloth, diffidence that Malcolm Muggeridge had ruefully expressed, “A nation left (by British) morally and spiritually bankrupt”. Nehru’s indulgence further killed the spirit.
Coming to your point of RSS and Godse connection, my careful available study reveals that he was a member of Hindu Mahasabha but not of RSS and amazingly a devotee of Gandhi himself. That is why he was so disappointed by Gandhi. In fact I have often commentd and writen, Godse did commit two mistakes, one he did it too late, second, he fired his shot in wrong direction. Problem was not Gandhi but the rapacious self centred Nehru. Had India not been plagued by this fraudester, and if Patel had the reins, the shape of not only India but the entire subcontinent (nay the world) would have been different.
To a man of your calibre, I suppose a hint is more than enough. World perhaps won’t have been festered with this intractable extremist terrorism unlike today. His entire enrgy was used including the nation’s resources to groom his own vagabond daughter and establish one dynasty in place of the preindependence >365 ones.
Nehru was an unprincipled elite, and a debauch politician thrushed the nation into this current shaby political turmoil and cancerous problems like Kashmir and converted it into, “What the polished civilised English call, a soft democracy”. Pathetic as it may be, nothing even a state unified into its diverse multilingual, multireligious, multiethnic, sharply divided conglomeration built into a corrupted society where ballots and bullets have become the order of the day. Thanks to Nehru, which he saw dissent in his own lifetime following the Chinese debacle in 1962.
One more fact about his hidden life promiscuity. You may recall that he is said to have died of thoracic aortic aneurysm. You may be aware of the fact that degenerative aneurysmal disease of abdominal aorta (below the bifurcation of renal arteries) is a common occurence, reason beyond our knowledge so far but the thoracic aorta is practically immune to such process. The only and commonly afflicting cause for such disease in those days was a sexually transmitted disease, well known as “Syphilis”
and in its tertiary stage, afflicts the blood vessels and thoracic aorta is well known and common site for it. How many people know it. This patrirchial promiscuity was very well tranfered into the worthy royal inheritor daughter called Indira Khan (fake Gandhi) aka Memuna Begum. You might also know that Nehru had another illegitimate child delivered via his some night visitor – “Shradhamata” at a Bangalore christian missionary hospital and Memuna had an abortion of a pregnancy (illegitimate) from Nehru’s PA – Mr Mathai, in her (Indira’s) midfifties. All are well recorded but these books are banned in India. Mathai had requested her to deliver the baby for him but she refused and opted out for abortion.
I shall look forward to your next post. So long…
Missed out a comment on the apostolic character of Mahatma Gandhi, in my careful estimation, Gandhi was a very weak nerved person of high grade of appealing altruism in Hindu society, where charity, poverty etc are buzz words. Gandhi’s
knee level austere dhoti dress, fastings (also reffered by Godse in his letter), charkha (spinning wheel drama) etc was a big sale.
You will also recall that after his failed mission in SA, initially he was nowhere until the demise of Gangadhar Tilak in 1920. Gandhi was rootless for five years from 1915 to 1920. Departure of Tilak left a big vacuum in Indian politics still in its very protracted state. Gandhi tried to shield his weakness by his auterity and altruism. Hindus as you know, love such stupid gimmicks to the point of suicidal attempts. It might also remind you that just the evening before the infamous Bombay blasts of 1993 (ref. Sajay Dutt) the Memon brother was chairing a charity feat with Bombay commisioner, next morning saw him flying to Dubai and Bombai, those deadly blasts. These charities are also the causes of insinuation of so many anti-national groups busy in their designs, some in terrorism while others proselytising the society…
I just append a link here, which may not be totally new to you but may serve a refreshing read.
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?9164-Nehru-s-Family-Why-Did-Indira-Abort-her-Third-Son-(to-be)