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By Peter Paton
The extreme Right Wing Golden Dawn Party which originated and is based in Greece, has started an irrepressible Movement, which is set to expand into America, Australia and Europe, as more and more people in these countries become disenchanted with their current insipid leaders and parties, who have brought about a Triple Dip Recession, Mass Unemployment and Poverty, and widespread Corruption and Fraud in National Banks and Institutions.
With Conservatives and Tea Party supporters feeling badly let down by the Republican and GOP Party in America, and looking at four more gruelling and austere years under the Obama Regime, and the Clarion Call going out for a Third Party to be formed or materialize, the lure of the Nationalistic Golden Dawn Party may be music to their ears. Similarly in Britain, many Conservatives and Right Wingers are disillusioned with the perceived Liberal policies of David Cameron and Nick Clegg, and the current clamor against Europe, Mass Immigration, Gay Marriages etc, the seeds may very well have been sown for the Golden Dawn Party to emerge in the UK.
One thing is abundantly clear in today’s political party systems is that they have failed repeatedly and abjectly to deliver the people’s intentions and aspirations, both Stateside and on the other side of the Big Pond, and they have presided over the biggest meltdown of people’s finances, rights and quality of life, therefore it would not take a great leap of imagination to forsee a radical right wing party like the Golden Dawn Party exploiting this situation, and jumping in to fill the vacuum.
Peter Paton is an International PR and Strategic Adviser
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The Golden Dawn Party Expanding to America, Australia and Europe,
Peter, the Golden Dawn Party is not right-wing. It is a fascist movement based on Nazism which is Socialist. It concerns me that you would get that wrong.
They also deny the Holocaust
http://digitaljournal.com/article/325139
European Jewish Congress calls for ban on Greece’s Golden Dawn
The president of the European Jewish Congress, Moshe Kantor, has called for a ban on European far-right groups, following the victory of Greece’s Golden Dawn in winning 21 parliamentary seats.
Nikolaos Michaloliakos, leader of Golden Dawn (Chrysi Avgi), disavows any links to neo-Nazism, but put a further nail in his party’s image last week when he engaged in a spot of Holocaust denial. Ekathimerini reported Michaloliakos stated on Greek television “There were no ovens — it’s a lie. I believe it’s a lie. There were no gas chambers either.”
His remarks drew condemnation from the Greek government and Mr Kantor. Greek government spokesman Pantelis Kapsis said “I condemn these views in the strongest terms. The Greek people have not forgotten that they too mourned the death of hundreds of thousands of people who were victims of the Nazis, among them tens of thousands of Greek Jews. We honor their memory and stand against any attempt to falsify facts and revive intolerance.”
Mr Kantor reacted to Golden Dawn’s seeming legitimacy through elections, by saying “Before calling on European leaders to act against hate on the street, they must clear their own house and that means banning and ostracising any politicians and political parties that preach hate and violence. While we highly value freedom of speech, we all recognise that there must be restrictions, and the visceral hatred propagated by the Golden Dawn is surely outside the boundaries of appropriate political discourse.” (The Jewish Chronicle)
The Jewish Times reported that the Central Board of Jewish Communities in Greece also issued a statement condemning Michaloliakos’s words. It said “It is an insult to the historical memory, the memory of the 6 million Jews, our brethren, amongst whom there were 70,000 Greek Jews, who perished in the death camps of Auschwitz, Dachau [and] Treblinka” whilst calling for Greece to “firmly condemn and isolate the forces seeking the revival of the darkest ideology of European history.”
My own family immigrated to America long before the Nazi rise to power so at least we were spared that terror.
Better National Socialism than communism. Communism crapped all over National Socialism as far as mass murdering goes, the biggest mass murders in history are from Communism, all in the 20th century alone, which National Socialism is against and can possibly defeat it as communism has once again spread like a plague, now I’ll admit National Socialism has flaws, but it is still rather new and underused so it has room for change. Communism is over, people are sick of it, you may as-well put a sickle and hammer in the middle of the EU flag, heck, the parliament is already fascist, we have no freedom of speech anymore and anyone saying the EU is democratic is full of it. People are starving and fighting to get their democracy back but it is fruitless. Sometimes you have to unite under one common goal(as humans always have) as to defeat an already totalitarian regime going on in our global governments. When you dilute/steal a nations identity and oppress/enslave them like the EU has, all people are left with is nationalism and revolution. Any party is better than the parties we have now, at least people won’t starve to death because of the left wing nutters imaginary world of idealism, I found it funny when a bunch of liberal left wing commie Nazi’s attacked a food truck supplying Greeks with food, typical commies, they’re used to starving people. Also, if people deny the holocaust, why not give them evidence for it to shut them up rather than put them in prison, we weren’t alive then so of course people will question it, it’s an historical event just like any other genocide, sorry if people are being too human, we’ll try more to be like a robot in the future. Nationalism is a byproduct of radical left wing greed, Golden Dawn isn’t to blame, it’s the idiot politicians you people all worship even thought they don’t really give a rats arse about you, you’re a statistic to them lol
Chris you are not serious! 6 million Jews dead is more than just a flaw. Nazism (National Socialism) killed Jews, Gypsies and others as part of deliberate policy. It was not just some accident of war or by-product of transportation as it was with the Crimean Tatars under Stalin. Extermination of whole races was the aim of National Socialism, and remains so.
Now for Holocaust denial You can provide all the evidence you want and they will still deny it. In 1999 journalist Nick Fraser confronted David Irving with evidence and was met with “Jewish history is so boring the only reason they go on about the Holocaust is because it’s the most interesting thing that’s happened to them in the last 3000 years”.
And remember the godfather of Holocaust denial so beloved of neo-Nazis such as Irving was Paul Rassinier, survivor of Buchenwald concentration camp. He was in the camp yet denied the Holocaust!
You call the EU a communist type state. Well interestingly enough Hitler’s New Order in the west was going to be called, wait for it, the European Economic Community. The Waffen SS was about as pan-European as it gets. Did not National Socialism steal the identity of nations? I’m sure you will find Poland did not exactly fare well as Hitler allied with Stalin to carve it up. Yet now Chris you think Nazism will save national identity. It did not even do that much for Germany. Inconvenient books were publicly burnt. The theory of relativity was dismissed as ‘Jewish’ because of Einstein. Call that progress? How could even the apolitical discipline of physics be dismissed as ‘Jewish’?
National Socialism is not new. It had its chance and messed up a number of times. Nazis could only get full employment by strict labour laws (which made it hard to fire anyone) and a programme of rearmament from which war was the only logical outcome. war was also the only logical outcome of the Keynesian economics that were used and were not working by 1938. War diverted attention and provided jobs. A rather extreme measure don’t you think Chris? And remember as Hayek warned us in Road to Serfdom in 1944 socialism, communism and Marxism leads to Nazism. That is why the National Socialism arose again udner communism notably in Romania where national minorities were suppressed and now North Korea where eugenics is used. In the light of that evidence would you still consider giving Nazism another chance?
Which brings me to my final point. How can Nazism defeat communism when they are Siamese twins and the former is an outgroth of its supposed ideogical opposite and nemesis? Hitler used anti-capitalist rhetoric in typical socialist revolutionary mode which despised the established order. Volksgemeinschaft or “people’s community” was how the Nazis defined their anti-capitalist, anti-liberal and anti-conservative communitarianism. Nazis such as Gregor Strasser were unashamedly socialist and anti-capitalist. Thus Nazis and communists were not divided over economics but nationalism and their use of identity politics similar to that later used by the PLO and Cuba’s Communist Party. Unlike the latter they may not have called themselved Leftists but that is irrelevant when one considers that the National Socialists effectively conquered and replaced the Left in Germany. In doing so they borrowed whole sections from communist ideology such as referring to party members as “comrades”, appealing to “class-conscious proletarians” to strike against the “monarchist, reactionary agitation with the fists of the proletariat” and direct appeals to workers and farmers. Many communists were therefore won over to the Nazi cause while the German proletariat were also receptive to appeals of nationalism and better working conditions. Hitler therefore agreed with much of classic socialism and communism. But he saw the latter controlled by the Jews. Jonah Goldberg in Liberal fascism:
“This is the monumental fact of the Nazi rise to power that has been slowly airbrushed from our collective memories: the Nazis campaigned as socialists. Yes, they were also nationalists, but this was at a time when the “internationalism” of the Soviet Union defined all nationalism as right-wing. Surely we’ve learned from the parade of horribles on offer in the twentieth century that nationalism isn’t inherently right-wing – unless we’re prepared to call Stalin, Castro, Arafat, Chavez, Guevara, Pol Pot and, for that matter Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, and John F Kennedy, right-wingers. Stalin himself ruled as as a nationalist, invoked “Mother Russia” and dubbed World War II the “great patriotic war”. By 1943 he had even replaced the old Communist anthem (“The Internationale”) with one that was thoroughly Russian. Moreover, historically, nationalism was a liberal-left phenomenon. The French Revolution was a nationalist revolution, but it was also seen as left-liberal one for breaking with the Catholic Church and empowering the people. German Romanticism as championed by Gottfried Herder and others was seen as both nationalistic and liberal. The National Socialist movement was part of this revolutionary tradition.”
Hitler was ready to join with the USSR in order to destroy the liberal democracies in the West. Although the Nazis looked down upon the racially inferior Slavs, they admired the ideological commitment of the Bolsheviks while looking down upon their fascist allies such as Italy and Romania.
Back in the 1920s Hitler himself said:
“In our movement the two extremes come together: the Communists from the Left and the officers and the students from the Right. The two have always been the most active elements. . . . The Communists were the idealists of Socialism.”
Goebbels wanted a geopolitical tryst with the USSR. In 1932 the Nazis joined Communists in organising the violent Berlin transport workers’ strike. Goebbels shared the same platform with Walter Ubricht, leader of the German Communist Party and later leader of Communist East Germany. In 1933 Hitler declared May Day a national holiday. Communists and Nazis were even seen arm in arm at anti-state demonstrations against Weimar.
It was an opinion shared by American neo-Nazi Francis Parker Yockey, author of Imperium. Yockey was in Prague in 1952, ecstatic at the anti-Semitic show trials orchestrated by Stalin against Jews such as Rudolf Slánsky, general-secretary of the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia. He felt that the USSR could free Europe from American and thus Jewish domination. James Madole of New York’s National Renaissance Party wanted to deport all non-whites from America. Initially believing that Communism was Jewish, Madole changed his mind under the influence of Yockey. Instead he endorsed Stalin’s anti-Jewish campaigns, feeling that he had triumphed over Trotsky and would use his National Bolshevism to to destroy the Jewish Unites States of America. At NRP headquarters in New York, Madole had interchangeable portraits of Hitler and Stalin and attracted ex-Communists to his party membership.
But liek David Irving do you still continue to deny all the evidence?
You talk as if I am backing the denial of the “Holocaust”. All I said was people are entitled to question it or research it rather than believe in it by faith alone, so if you have evidence, show it to them(everyone has their own conception of evidence and amount therein so you have to take that into account), “Holocaust believers” are about as bigoted as the deniers “Hey guess what kids?” “What?” “Hitler killed 6million Jews” “When? “7 decades ago – but you must not research it like any human with half a brain or you’ll be put in prison” “Okay, master”, no wonder people deny it, when people try to hide stuff it automatically seems fishy to anyone with an IQ above average. It’s just 1 of many genocides that have been conducted, all are bad no matter the name you give them, if 6 million deaths are classed special and given a name such as “Holocaust” then what is the death of 70 million civilians conducted by soviets? Or any other genocide in history? Are they not special enough to gain a name?
The only problem I see with the whole “Holocaust” thing is how people make money off of it and Hollywood dramas that degrade their deaths. It’s disgusting if you ask me, they deserve better than that.
Communists and Nazi’s arm in arm? When? Before or After the commies got shot or imprisoned? The Nazi’s hated communists. And of course Nazi’s adopted socialist ideals, at least the ones that worked. Communism as a whole doesn’t work and history proves that. National Socialism for the most part worked, it created 6million jobs, ended inflation, jailed a few commies, and made Germany the most powerful nation in Europe. Heck, it created the modern social welfare system we use today. There’s many things to learn from history rather than just putting a face on the whole thing. Fact is, Communism is responsible for the murder of hundreds of millions of civilians, started countless wars that killed many more. National Socialism murdered a few million, started a war. If NS is to be banned, then communists should be put in a mental asylum lol
On topic. I’m pro-democracy, but I sure as hell know Greeks aren’t getting any. So what do they have left other than revolution? They were offered a referendum to leave the EU but it was snatched up by some bureaucrats from Brussels before they got a chance to vote and then proceeded to tell Greeks what to do in their own country, the whole damn EU is fascist yet everyone keeps quiet like good little slaves. I say good on them, make the traitors hear them.
If Golden Dawn doesn’t look after Greek’s then who will? The immigrants? The Radical Left? The Anti-Racists?(it’s funny how many times they prove they hate Europeans, so much for anti-racism…) No one in the government gives a flying f*** about the Greeks and only pay out for immigrants because they work for less, in other words ‘treason’. Like I said, Nationalism is a byproduct.
I don’t condone any genocide so get s*** out your head. Also, if some deniers don’t accept evidence for it happening that doesn’t mean others won’t, they’re human just like you and me and deserve to be treated as such, they don’t need bigots imprisoning them just for denial of an historical event that even the believers weren’t around for. And to top it off, who the hell are you to judge a survivor that denies the “holocaust” he was there, you weren’t, take it however you want.
My bad if I seem fronted, but y’know how these discussions get
Might I add that what Greece is going through is the exact same state that Germany was in pre-Nazi era.
Germans had a treaty signed for them by foreigners without their consent to give the governing powers over them more power in 1918.(In small writing)
Greeks(and the rest of the EU) have a treaty(Lisbon Treaty) signed by foreigners without their consent to give the EU more power over them(in fact, only 5 or so countries were given a referendum(there are 27 nations in the zone >.>), all said no but were called fascist for saying no and then proceeded to deny the rest of the EU referendum and then pushed it through parliament anyway, fine points for democracy eh?) (Again, using small writing)
Germany had mass inflation where to just buy a loaf of bread you had to have a wheel barrow full of money.
My my, is this not what is happening in Greece nowadays?
Germany was in mass unemployment, 6million people out of jobs that left countless homeless.
Greece has an unemployment rate of 26% and is expected to rise to 30% by the end of this year or sooner.
Germans experienced mass starvation, many died.
41% of Greeks are under the poverty line and are starving, many scavenge the streets looking for food.
Germans had an influx of suicide rates which Hitler talked about and told Germans not to discriminate against them because they’re not bad people, it takes a lot to do what they did.
Greeks were once one of the lowest suicide rates in Europe, it now has the highest rate of suicides in Europe. Which is understandable, being a parent and realizing that they can’t do anything to help their children can be heart breaking.
Germans had much of their land stripped from them(part of the treaty back in 1918), many Germans were left isolated from family and friends in foreign borders.
Greeks; Constantinople – nuff said.
Much of Germany’s money was held in foreign banks which caused(on purpose) busts in the economy back in the 1880s 90s and early stages of the 1900s, and surprise surprise during WW1, when it is as simple as nationalizing the banks, printing money and dishing out while creating projects for Germans to do so they have jobs and even helped to take their mind off of all the nasty stuff(boredom can cause unrest and over-thinking). Nazi’s cured this by doing what I said beforehand, thus their economic success(Though we only talk about the terrible things they did, not the things they did right).
No surprise here that Greece’s economic problem is in the hands of the foreign owned global banks that deliberately cause economic collapse in their futile attempt to gain dominance over the world.(He who owns all the money, runs the nations, who else is at fault BUT the banks? their supporters of course).
German’s were stripped of their identity and had to sit through schools learning about culture of another nation whilst denied rights to learn of their own lest they be deemed racist.
It is no surprise that this is happening in Greece as it happens world-wide, we all must feel guilty and hate ourselves to make others feel better. when they don’t show much the same courtesy in their own lands(example: arab Christians get brutally beaten and decapitated in THEIR nations).
Germany was stuck in an economic prison, held down by nations surrounding them.
Greece is going through the same thing, no matter how many bail-outs the EU throws at them(isn’t it 3 now?) they won’t get out of it.(This is also causing Greeks to hate Germans, because they’re held down by them, drawing swastika’s on Chan. Merkel – it is making Germans hate Greeks because it is their taxpayer money going to Greeks and are calling them lazy which Greeks have no choice but to be jobless, it isn’t their fault they can’t find work).
History repeats itself once again, and shows we have learned nothing from it, we continue to do the same thing over and over. One thing we humans learn from history is that we learn nothing from history. It isn’t the Germans fault for Nazi uprising, killing foreigners perhaps is.
This is not hate speech or promoting violence in any way, I’m just telling you what they are going to do, and forcing more austerity measures on them, oppressing them in the Empire of the EU(lol don’t they want to absorb Turkey now? Crazy power-hungry globalists(world domination in reality)) and denying their rights to be heard while flooding their country with foreigners is NOT the way to solve this issue, they already have resentment to them, all this has caused is foreigners to be put in danger, I don’t blame the Greeks for lashing out, I blame the EU for forcing it on them. (Most of the time the violence on immigrants by Golden Dawn in the media is just speculations for the most part and should be taken with a grain of salt, they do have competition that will lie to stay in power y’know? The ones I have heard about and proven to be true is when a foreigner has killed a Greek and Golden Dawn is called up to protect them because the police do nothing because, well, ‘austerity’ measures). Let’s just forget when anarchists, avid supporters of the Radical Left(they admitted to it) placed a 5 kilo bomb full of shrapnel at the HQ of Golden Dawn, pleasantly in vicinity of a busy street that had shrapnel smashed through car windows and tore holes in adjacent buildings. Thank god no one got hurt, they(golden dawn) and innocent civilians are lucky they didn’t get killed, that bomb was designed to kill, not threaten.
So before judging Greeks and the Golden Dawn party, understand what causes it and realize that it is NOT THEIR FAULT for the rise, they, like the Germans pre-Nazi era are starving, jobless, scared and are denied democracy(Heck, tourists to Nazi Germany couldn’t go one conversation with the German people without having them talk about Bolshevik invasion and how frightened they were).
By supporting the EU, you’re indirectly supporting the uprising of nationalism and violence lol Let the Greeks leave the EU, have them devalue so they can at least buy some damn bread and milk and trade back to prosperity with their OWN currency. You’ll soon see the violence subside when people have a full stomach and have a government that actually gives a rats arse. Golden Dawn is the only one giving them food so without them the Greeks in poverty will starve to death. They are alone in the world right now just as the Germans were. Put yourself in their shoes for once.
This is a conservative website right? Conservative is preservation of national freedoms and identity, right? Then damn well support conservative ideals and support Greeks breaking away from EU tyranny and getting their independence back BEFORE they resort to violence as you wouldn’t like YOUR country stripped of freedoms. I refuse to be a bigot and a hypocrite supporting the demise of their people.
They almost had their independence back until the EU and their cronies stripped them of it in their bid to create a united states of Europe, which worked in America but WILL not work in Europe, they are too diverse in their views for it to hold as we have currently seen happening in Europe today.
I laughed hysterically when the EU gave themselves the Nobel peace prize.
Chris, Greece joined the EU voluntarily. It was hardly defeated in war and had a Versailles Treaty thrust on it. The EU did not take Constantinople from Greece. In fact that issue could have been rectified in 1918-1924 when Ottoman Empire was defeated. Instead the Allies allowed Ataturk to form modern Turkey and complete the ethnic cleansing and extermination of Greeks, Armenians and Assyrians. EU attracted poorer states such as Ireland and countries which were once military dictatorships (Greece, Spain, Portugal) or communist despotisms (Poland, Hungary etc). EU money raised from taxpayers in wealthier neighbours such as Germany, France and UK helped those poorer nations out. It was over generous welfare dependency in Greece (such as making hairdressing a hazardous profession, and putting retirement age at 55) which brought this mess in the first place.
You seem to be so desperate to exonerate Nazism by comparing it to communism. Crikey that’s like saying Saddam Hussein wasn’t so bad by using Charles Manson as the psychological gradient! On the same theme applauding Golden Dawn because it shows that the Greeks are sticking up for their rights is as nauseating as watching Leftist anti-war demonstrators applauding Saddam because he stood up to the west. Or praising Mugabe for his anti-colonialism as he bankrupts his own country and makes the currency worth less than Deutschmarks in the Weimar Republic. Echoes of Jane Fonda in Hanoi maybe?
Yes Chris this is a conservative website not a national socialist one or any other Marxist, Leftist manifestation. That means supporting rights of individual freedom, which is the diametric opposite of Nazi racial id cards with ‘Juden’ written on them, nationality cards as used by the Soviets, and DEMOCRAT Woodrow Wilson’s idea of organic national units. Patriotism is not the same as Nazism and its fellow ideological travelers. if you are such a conservative why are you so keen on the welfare dependency being created by Golden Dawn? if they were in power do you think their state interventionism with Keynesian economics and huge budget deficits would work? Where would they go when the money runs out yet again? The EU that they hate? The American capitalists who they equate with Jewish finance? China? But no worries Chris. Qatar is busy bailing out small Greek businesses just so that it can join hands with Turkey to recreate the caliphate.
Exactly Chris, this is a CONSERVATIVE site, so it’s a bit laughable seeing you mention how socialist ideas work? I mean is that some sort of sick joke? But oh no it gets better! You mention an industry exploiting the Holocaust. Are you an avid follower of Finkelstein or David Duke?
Yes one must question, question everything. It’s laughable to see you use Leftist (and indeed Marxist) arguments which put the communists and Nazis on polar opposites when Nazism and fascism evolved out of socialism in the first place. Georges Sorel provided this vital link with Syndicalism. So yes if Nazis are to be blamed then communists should not just be put into a mental asylum but the USSR should have been tried for war crimes at Nuremberg as Stalin allied with Hitler to carve up Poland. USSR should never have been armed by America.
National Socialism (Nazism) ‘created’ jobs by using the same Keynesian economics that led to stagflation in Britain and unworkable welfare systems across Europe. War was driven less by lebansraum than the simple fact that there were only so many autobahns Hitler could build. Nazi economics was an abysmal failure. War provided jobs through military conscription and rearmament.
Now as to your abusing comments about getting s*** out of my head and exactly who am I to judge, and was I there, oh excuse me sir, but then who are you to even comment? Isn’t that a judgement? Were you there when Stalin and Mao murdered millions? So if you weren’t there why make any ‘judgement’ on the matter? You can play these stupid mind games all day.
Ranbir,
Both of you debate the issue brilliantly and should stay courteous. As for myself, I don’t delve into the specifics as much. I have read considerable material on both from various point of view, though. To me there is something inherently evil in the systems of fascism, socialism and communism. All three dehumanize and insult the people under their control. Maybe someone could also make that accusation about capitalism but, I consider it the lesser of evils. Someone once said, “Capitalism is the very worst system of government except, for all the rest.” That is my own viewpoint. Yes, Capitalism is horrible but, at the same time, under it I have certain freedoms not possible with the others.
Thanks BeBe
“Capitalism is horrible but, at the same time, under it I have certain freedoms not possible with the others.”
Couldn’t have put it put it better myself. No system is perfect, but then the world is not perfect. Attempts at utopia end up in a quagmire of lies, deceit, soul crushing totalitarianism, and usually mass killings as the state inteferes and turns its idealism into a phantasmgoria of tyranny.
Socialism, while I agree can demoralize a nation, I think it is more of a temporary policy that can be effective when needed to help people get footing like when Germans were poverty stricken and the only way was to print the hell out of money from a national bank and dish it out to those who you can, it was extremely effective in this regard, and running programs to get a nation on their feet like work experience and fitness exercises.(Not run their lives and have them get lazy like socialism can most often do, and then devalue into just plain communism which is BAD).
Nationalism…heck, tbh with how evil the capitalist overlords are these days(may as well be commies and that is the flaw with capitalism, it can be exploited quite easily if not careful.)
I don’t think capitalism can work at this stage for Greece, the Greek people need a strong focus to draw their spirits into a unified force to bring Greece back to where it belongs, practically preserving their values and identity, and eradicating greed from the politicians in power.
As far as political policies go, some can be effective in temporary measures. Now I know people have a big hooblah with Nationalism but either way, regardless if we like it or not, Nationalism will come into Greece if a revolution begins, as humans it’s in our nature to want to feel apart of a group with the same core beliefs, and that is what Greeks will be looking for when all is said and done, what kind of Nationalism it takes on, who knows(It’s always been around since nations were first begun) sometimes good, sometimes bad, it really depends on who’s in charge, it doesn’t mean invade and *kill6millionjews* it is a decision to go to war, not the policies itself.
And yeah, I know I mentioned Germany and Hitler, but regardless some of his ideas were really good and worked wonders for Germany for the state it was in, I’m not in anyway saying that Greece should be exactly like him and kill people, that is the last thing we need another kill spree, but if people keep pissing the Greeks off we run the risk of violence. The parties I am REALLY concerned about in Greece is the KKE and radical left parties alike, KKE uses the hammer and sickle, yet it is not being criticized at all in the media, and if the leaders of the EU and Greece itself are not going to work banning these communist parties then we know their true agenda, Capitalist money schemes and National Communism for the new state of Europe, and then we’ll know true bloodshed, Greece going nationalist and saying “Screw you everyone, we only care about ourselves now, so ‘koff”(come on, Greece is tiny lol) is the least of my concerns really.
As far as immigration goes which Golden Dawn is really focusing on predominantly, I think it is up to them to decide, and if it so happens they democratically elect Golden Dawn then it is their choice, let’s be honest, mass immigration was no ones choice in the first place, it was rather shoved in our face no matter how many people said no as a rather poor way to ‘cure racism’ imho it’s created it and caused violence we don’t need. We can still help the third world without lowering living standards of our nations by overpopulation and expansion problems(Britain is getting really bad for it). Let’s be honest, Europe and it’s benefits isn’t open to the whole 7billion people in the world, that is just ludicrous, do they want to end up like China? lol
And now we’re seeing language barrier problems and ghettoization’s in many one beautiful nations, I think enough is enough. Mass immigration and multiculturalism imo has a second agenda, while Europeans in Europe can’t feel proud in their heritage and culture and constantly attacked about it being called racist every turn, people who come in get away scot-free to take over, embrace their culture, and feel proud about it, slowly destroying any identity Europe has left, and what usually happens and who tends to try and destroy national cultures? Communists, and this time they don’t need bullets to do it, people are already committing national and cultural suicide in their ignorance.
Greece can’t be conservative either, if they vote for a conservative he/she is most likely a liberal-lite with false promises(Just a plain socialist like all of them nowadays and traitors) and really, there’s nothing left to conserve, nationalism will be the only way to bring their core values and beliefs back sadly and gain surplus with their own currency, desperate times call for desperate measures in the western world of today. It’s kind of their only democratic option to get out of the EU, and while I think conservatism is best for any nation, ugh I just don’t see them getting it or it is just too late for them, they’ve been bailed out 3 times already, have no sense of national pride, Golden Dawn is their ticket lol I think it’s revolution time for the Greek people, hungry people do desperate things.
I definitely understand where you’re coming from though, my statements may sound shocking to you, they often do to most lol But yeah I really see no other option for them.
And I know Greece joined voluntarily, all of Europe was duped into it with happy fireworks, so-called ‘team-work’, shiny blue flag and an anthem they can all sing along to, little did they realize though that it hid demons, communist demons lol Their workings through policy are almost identical to the soviet union, and millions are now living in poverty :/
And that damn Lisbon treaty…they rammed it through undemocratically, so now Greece really will have a revolution, it is just when, Greek parliament is scared hiring mercenaries and all that now, so they can feel it coming.
Unrestricted immigration is also a very serious problem here in the US. Floods of people who have little money desperately fleeing Mexico, tax current systems designed to help the needy in our own country. That coupled with unwise government decisions, governmental corruption, election fraud and a failing economy has resulted in many people organizing into groups with the aim to protect their core beliefs and to preserve their traditional culture while there is still something left to preserve.
Sadly, we are experiencing the same thing(of Europe) here in the US with people who are simply trying to preserve their culture being called racist by leftists who have taken over our government. Anyone who doesn’t agree with their policies is called racist even though the socialist policies are designed to destroy America.
I now see our country following the failed trends of Europe with mass immigration, multiculturalism, diversity, The bankrupting of America and all sorts of schemes to divest the population of it’s constitution not to mention all of it’s money. We are watching our whole society disintegrate before us with an insane president in the White House who is only concerned with living a lavish life and feeding the greed of his cronies.
Of course knowing that the patience of many Americans is wearing thin he now hopes to confiscate as many side arms as possible. American people are guaranteed the right to own weapons for self-defense by their constitution. That document is an aspect of our culture and history. It is a part of traditional American identity. To tear it down is to destroy the national identity of Americans. Of course he is a socialist and the socialist despise the constitution and would love to destroy it.
We are beset with the same smooth mouthed socialists making false promises duping the population over and over again. They lie, lie and lie yet, the propaganda machine tells us how wonderful they are. Socialists all are liars and out for number one. They will never tell the truth and yet many Americans continue to believe in them simply because they listen to the liars on television.
It is a sad state for Greece.
Socialist policies are always implemented with the intent that they are temporary and that when the people are on their feet again, the policies will be overturned. History has shown us that this is not the case and instead create dependent societies. FDR’s New Deal, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, LBJ’s Welfare, and now Obamacare were all implemented as temporary solutions. Instead they cause the public to become dependent and keep the socialists in power. You already see how difficult it is to try to suggest the implementation of changes to Social Security, Medicare, and other socialist programs let alone trying to stop the socialist legislation.
Well as an ‘immigrant’ (actually born in England) I’m not exactly sure where I have created participated in ghettoisation and creating language barriers, esepcially since I speak English better than people who you might define as being of ‘indigenous’ and ‘authentic’ European stock. In any case India raised the largest volunteer army ever to fight fascism, Lady Thatcher acknowledged. I don’t ask for special days off (I even work public holidays when needed), ask for special diet (bring my own food), or take time off work to pray etc. Britain’s Sunday and 24/7 trading was pioneered by Asians expelled from East Africa, and in run down areas where shops were closing. They didnt claim benefits or welfare but worked hard all hours. Curry is almost the national dish. And conversely English is the co official language of India. So where is the ‘purity’ in national culture?
Socialism helepd to demoralise Germany. Witness not just the Nazis but also communist rule in GDR. West Germany by contrast flourished. BMW, Volkswagen etc. The Beetles cut their teeth playing in Hamburg. And who could foget elecronic music pioneers Kraftwerk. Nazis and east Germany by constrast banned jazz music and produced second hand rubbish. Yet you say capitalism is ‘evil’ with its overlods. Oh hello, what about the communists and their nice dachas and servants while the masses only had potatoes to eat, if that?
As for ending up like China, well don’t worry Chinese are buying up companies and taking over Europe, just as they are Africa.
Just how did Hitler work wonders for Germany when he dragged the country into war and got it bombed? If that’s success I would hate to think what failure is! And revolutions only look good for Hollywood, they rarely work in reality. The American Revolutin held private proeprty sacrosanct, as well certain other rights. it followed John Locke, while the French Jacobions tok after Rousseau, which was why their revolution ended up as the Terror despite all its high and mighty talk. Yes hungry people do desperate things, but for that evry reason they need fiscal responsbility in government not blaming Jews, minorities and a system of state dependancy which caused the problems in the first place but which they want to continue. The last thing the world needs now is another Hugo Chavez.
Chris if the Lison treaty was undemocratic how exactly would you categorise Hitler invading Czechoslovakia and Poland? That shiny blue anthem was a Nazi dream of a united Europe, they called the European Economic Community. If Europe was duped well what exactly happened to Neville Chamberlain when he met Hitler in Munich and brought back that useless scrap of paper?
Outstanding comment.
It also concerns me that you did not feel free to show them with raised arms in the Nazi salute in front of a modern form of the Nazi flag. Was you contribution edited or did you for your own reasons leave out such important information?
Modern form of a Nazi flag? You’ve taken in far too much media propaganda, I already know what symbol you’re referring to and that is not a Nazi symbol in any way, that is insulting to Greek heritage.
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It is the Greek symbol of Unity and Victory displayed on many ancient Greek structures built by their ancestors 2000-3000 years ago. Heck, you can even find it on a damned coffee cup in New York.
Greeks have a tiny sliver of land left to teach their culture and beliefs, most of the time denied being able to teach such things and accused of being racist of doing so whereas so-called minorities are left scot-free to do their thing and have huge home countries to do so also, plus many other countries where they are protected by law. Many Greek structures of past times are locked inside Turkish borders. Ya’know, the country that enslaved Greeks for 400 or so years and then let them take Greek territory.
I’m surprised Greeks haven’t done more to revolt, it is sickening to see people of a once great nation reduced to nothing on purpose.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/10/29/pogrom-punk-the-greek-neo-nazi-rock-bands-boosting-golden-dawns-rise/
Pogrom Punk: The Greek neo-Nazi rock bands boosting Golden Dawn’s rise
The Guardian’s Marla Margaronis begins her deep, and deeply disturbing, article on the rise of Greek neo-Nazi party Golden Dawn with an interesting detail. The movement’s favorite band is a group called Pogrom.
Just so we’re clear, pogrom is a Russian word that originated in the 19th century to describe state-sanctioned mob violence against Jews. Encyclopedia Britannica defines it as “a mob attack, either approved or condoned by authorities, against the persons and property of a religious, racial, or national minority. The term is usually applied to attacks on Jews in the Russian Empire in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.”
Greek neo-Nazi music has its own charming history. Finding English-language articles from within this particular sub-culture can be difficult; most neo-Nazi groups, with the obviously significant exception of Greece, have learned to lay low in the Western world. But Greek neo-Nazi music fans seem to define the genre as “the Hellenic NS/WP skinhead music scene.” NS/WP is the broader movement’s self-styled acronym for national socialism (Nazi)/white power. Common shorthands seem to be Hellenic nationalist music or Hellenic skinhead. The music movement, which began 20 years ago in rock clubs and bars, now seems to moving into mainstream Greek politics.
Here’s a taste of Pogrom’s Hellenic nationalism, with a song titled “Rock the Homeland.” It sounds like pretty straightforward, vanilla, late-1980s or early-1990s punk rock. But the Greek lyrics include such lines as “Rock for the fatherland, this is our music, we don’t want parasites and foreigners on our land,” according to Margaronis’s translation. Other Pogrom lyrics insult Anne Frank and the Wailing Wall, a Jewish holy site in Jerusalem.
http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/international-news/greek-neo-nazi-party-rises-economy-sinks
Greek Neo-Nazi party rises as economy sinks
Golden Dawn party faults immigrants for unemployment, blames Jews for Europe’s financial problems.
Golden Dawn is replete with neo-Nazi signs and symbols, including the swastika banners and black, insignia emblazoned black shirts. Its platform denies the Holocaust and supports a nationalistic “Greece for Greeks” stand. Its voice is strident against both Jews and the approximately 2 million Pakistani, Indian, Albanian, and African immigrants living in Greece.
The party promotes the belief that the immigrants have caused the country’s massive unemployment and that Jews are responsible for the overall economic catastrophe in Europe. It has found favor among the economically bereft Greeks, offering social services and sustenance—in a style similar to Hamas—and providing “protection” the police can no longer offer. The group assists “pure” Greeks.
Dimitris Filippides, program director of the Greek-American “Hellas FM” Internet radio station in Greece, told JNS.org that the rise of Golden Dawn and other far-right groups “is largely a phenomenon of the European financial crisis.”
“These extreme right groups are traditionally connected with anti-Semitism, and, almost universally, denying the Holocaust is a principle of the far right,” he said. Far-right extremists have carried out attacks against Jewish cemeteries in Greece, and the Golden Dawn is suspected of having defaced the country’s Holocaust Memorial.
The Simon Wiesenthal Center lists Greece’s Golden Dawn Party as #6 on their 2012 Top Ten Anti-Semitic/Anti-Israel Slurs:
http://conservativepapers.com/?wpfb_dl=44
As western countries go further left extreme it opens the possibility of a further right party gaining control. The fact they deny the holocaust is very concerning, seems more leftist to me.